Dude! This PC is like shit for gaming! Wrong CPU and wrong GPU, and a waste of money om the ram. Y series is gaming. This is 100% for numbercrunching or rendering biig projects. (Not finished renders but yeah)
Amazingly not everyone uses a computer for gaming. This would be a great engineering laptop capable of running large models and doing lots of heavy lifting. The price is actually very low for something of that caliber.
P50 is $1600 baseline, the 15" Retina MBP starts at $2000.
If they offered Xeons, they wouldn't be baseline. They'd either slot them in above the 2.8 GHz i7 model (currently $2300) or, more likely, have a separate workstation line like the Mac Pro ($3000).
There are cheaper 13" rMBPs, but they're all i5 models.
I guarantee Apple will not offer this CPU. TDP is much higher than any current Macbook can handle. Apple doesn't even offer the "X" Extreme Edition CPUs that are currently available in mobile workstations right now.
Man this thing is a beast. Ethernet, docking port, LTE, thunderbolt 3, skylake quad core xeon, ddr4, 4k, 1tb pci-e SSD. I'm pretty satisfied with my HP laptop with docking station at work. I don't have very heavy usage though. Would love this PC even though its way overkill for me.
Hah, I do the same thing. Using a Surface Pro as my main computer has ruined me; every single time I use a laptop now I find myself poking at the screen and being confused why nothing is happening. I booted up my circa-2004 Powerbook the other day and was trying to tap-and-drag to scroll web pages, sheesh.
The P70 sounds interesting, yet still not perfect in my view. Main deficits:
1) 16:9 screen - on a "workstation"?? Puhlease!
2) using the same keyboard as P50 (15.6" form factor.). Wasted space on left/right margins - wasted opportunity for more key spacing/size or more keys.
Sadly, both of the above are persistently recurring themes - even, apparently, when it comes to super-premium duper-professional so-called "workstations". My DELL Precision M6400 from 2008 has a full keyboard spanning its width and a 1920:1200 screen. Sad, that 6 years later the industry is still mired in chronic feature regression.
That is to say, 7+years later... Even sadder. At least we finally get a high-DPI screen at 17" as an option. Not that it helps a whole lot when shortage of screen vertical real estate is what's actually the major PITA for anyone working on content creation as opposed to consumption...
I see your point but I would expect that the vast majority of content creators work at the desk and thus would not care about the display size too much (while still enjoying that 17" real estate however crippled by a bad form factor on occasions where they have to go mobile)
16:9 works just okay if the screen is large enough, and there are enough vertical pixels. Oh and you can ALWAYS attach huge external displays when you work.
If it is using Alpine Ridge controller, yes, it is TB3 at 40Gbps via USB-C and USB 3.1 gen 2 is included as well. All TB3 will be via USB-C as it'll use the alt mode of USB-C standard.
So, comparing P70 to W701: * looks like they have been inspired by nearly the same chassis; at least, placement of SC reader, DC port, Ethernet port and drive bays are the same; * port icons, handily doubled on the sides of palm rest on W701 (see http://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_processed_... for example), are missing on P70 * can't find SDXC card readed placement on provided renders of P70; * in W701, audio in and out are separate jacks, in P70 they are not; * no thinklight, digitizer, 16:10 display, esata, second display option, CF card reader option; * can't find WLAN/WWAN/BT indicators on P70, as well as sleep/power/ac/battery indicators (i suppose latter group is combined in power button light); no indicators on external side of the lid as well (W701 had colorimeter/battery/ac/sleep indicators); * looks like speakers become even more shitty comparing to W701; * no comments regarding keyboard layout because nobody cares anyway.
sounds cool & cheap but 3.4kg? no way! i wish they trimmed that port shit down to just USB 3.1 & thunderbolt 3 / mini dp. and dropped that superflous hdd / dvd space...
Man, what is it with the whimp nation taking over the world? 3.4 kg too heavy?! What are you, a 10 year old kid, a 90 year old codger, or suffering from muscular distrophy?
Mobile workstations aren't meant to be used as frisbees. If you ever wind up having kids, I hope you have enough upper body strength to carry around a 7+ pound newborn - because that's what 3.4 kg is equivalent to. Geez...
Seriously dude, hit the gym every once in a while, or at least do a couple dozen push-ups every morning, or at least carry around a 3.4 lb workstation on avregular basis - and get some muscle mass into those spindly skeletal arms of yours...
3.4kg is a big improvement! Keep in mind the W701 (referred to above) weighed in at about 4.5kg, and the AC adapter was another kg! 17" notebooks, especially ones with big videocards, need lots of vents, which add weight. The heatsink for a 47w TDP CPU will have a lot of copper.
If you want a light, powerful system, get a Lavie Z (weighs less than a kg). But it is only a 14" screen, and has a regular i7, no memory slots, no changeable HDD, no optical.
For those looking for a BluRay, don't hold your breath, I'm afraid. The cost of 9.5mm BR is crazy (don't know if this is 9.5 or 12.7 mm). In terms of keyboards, Lenovo has chosen this as their standard. I'm holding on to my T420 for that reason. But it still beats any other one on the market.
What is the significance of the battery cell count?
Different batteries have different cell capacity. 66 W h / 4 cells = 16.5 W h / cell 90 W h / 6 cells = 15 W h / cell 96 W h / 8 cells = 12 W h / cell Including the cell count seems irrelevant and potentially confusing.
The only relevance I can think of is maybe lower cell count for similar W h means less packaging weight, but battery mass could be a clearer indicator of energy / mass efficiency.
Forget asking for the taller screen. It's 4K! Hold your head closer and imagine the edges aren't there. You can get a ridiculous amount of text on a 4K display and still read it. I have a Dell m3800 with 4K and I know.
What I do sometimes is lean back in my recliner, rest the laptop on my chest about 8" from my eyes and type with chicken wing arms. Works great.
Works great until your eyes give out, and you're stuck for life wearing beer bottle glasses. Healthy distance between screen and eye is about 40 cm minimum (that's ~16" for the metrically impaired.) Anything closer and you are setting yourself up for chronic near-sightedness. Your optometrist will love you.
So yeah, either that, or strap a pair of binoculars to your face, or actually use screens large enough that you don't need to scrape them with your nose in order to read non-jumbo sized text.
I am still sure my clevo with 4790K desktop CPU will be much faster than this. EEC rams are way overrated IMO, and for serious number crunching mobile quadro is a joke anyway (you need BEEFY desktop GPUs with proper cooling for GPGPU)
Only thing that's interesting is the 17" 4K panel - we have never seen such a thing so far. I wonder where I can source such a panel?
Your Cleve with 4790K might be 50-70% faster while weights 2-3 times more. This is not to replace proper desktop workstations, this is for light workstation works on the go.
I will be ordering a P50, the specs look great! I still have a T60, it is working flawlesly. I had to replace a battery and display. I will have to retire my W530 which is running great, but I need more horse power and I intend to keep the machine as long as the legendary T60.
I've been looking and found a site that's selling both P50 & P70.....it shows the DVD is only available for the P70 - https://www.thinklogic.co.uk/p_series
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p1esk - Monday, August 10, 2015 - link
Is that a first 4k display in a 17" laptop?Gigaplex - Monday, August 10, 2015 - link
That's what it says.uberDoward - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
If that's correct, I will finally be able to replace my late 2011 Macbook Pro!ahtoh - Monday, August 10, 2015 - link
would NOT have Gigabit Ethernet?colinstu - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
It's got a Gig Ethernet port on the rearAmdInside - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
Man I just bought a Lenovo Y70 about a month ago. If I had known a P70 was going to come out, I would not have purchased the Y70.olde94 - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
Dude!This PC is like shit for gaming! Wrong CPU and wrong GPU, and a waste of money om the ram. Y series is gaming. This is 100% for numbercrunching or rendering biig projects. (Not finished renders but yeah)
Av8or1ab2 - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
Amazingly not everyone uses a computer for gaming. This would be a great engineering laptop capable of running large models and doing lots of heavy lifting. The price is actually very low for something of that caliber.lilmoe - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
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+1d0nk3y - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
Will be interesting to see:A) If Apple refresh the MBP 15" with this cpu
B) What the price comparison will be with this
I suspect the "Wahh, wah, apple is SOO expensive" crowd will be hushed.
lilo777 - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
Do you expect Apple to put Quadro class GPU, docking connector, 4 USB ports, ECC memory etc. into their laptop? Over certain Jonathan's dead body?nerd1 - Monday, August 17, 2015 - link
And make it grey colored (as the trashcan mac pro), name it mac pro elite or something, charge $5K. Oh that sounds VERY possible to me....hodakaracer96 - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
This Xeon CPU? I don't think so. ECC memory? Quadra card? I had to say you don't know what your talking about, but...different types of computers bud.hodakaracer96 - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
Quadro* hate*GatesDA - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
P50 is $1600 baseline, the 15" Retina MBP starts at $2000.If they offered Xeons, they wouldn't be baseline. They'd either slot them in above the 2.8 GHz i7 model (currently $2300) or, more likely, have a separate workstation line like the Mac Pro ($3000).
There are cheaper 13" rMBPs, but they're all i5 models.
olde94 - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
You'll never see a 47w tdp CPU in a cp that small from apple. Sure Razer did it, but the battery and heat from that thing? Not apples target group ;)ed 209 - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
I guarantee Apple will not offer this CPU. TDP is much higher than any current Macbook can handle. Apple doesn't even offer the "X" Extreme Edition CPUs that are currently available in mobile workstations right now.dysonlu - Wednesday, August 19, 2015 - link
The current Macbook Pro 15 has the option of a 47W TDP CPU if I'm not mistaken. This Xeon is 47W TDP.dysonlu - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
The battery life of this will be nowhere near Apple's target specs. Forget about it!hodakaracer96 - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
Man this thing is a beast. Ethernet, docking port, LTE, thunderbolt 3, skylake quad core xeon, ddr4, 4k, 1tb pci-e SSD. I'm pretty satisfied with my HP laptop with docking station at work. I don't have very heavy usage though. Would love this PC even though its way overkill for me.hodakaracer96 - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
I find my self touching the screen (wishing I had touch) when I undock my HP and use as a laptop. Would be nice if the 4k panel had touch as well.KateH - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
Hah, I do the same thing. Using a Surface Pro as my main computer has ruined me; every single time I use a laptop now I find myself poking at the screen and being confused why nothing is happening. I booted up my circa-2004 Powerbook the other day and was trying to tap-and-drag to scroll web pages, sheesh.boeush - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
The P70 sounds interesting, yet still not perfect in my view. Main deficits:1) 16:9 screen - on a "workstation"?? Puhlease!
2) using the same keyboard as P50 (15.6" form factor.). Wasted space on left/right margins - wasted opportunity for more key spacing/size or more keys.
Sadly, both of the above are persistently recurring themes - even, apparently, when it comes to super-premium duper-professional so-called "workstations". My DELL Precision M6400 from 2008 has a full keyboard spanning its width and a 1920:1200 screen. Sad, that 6 years later the industry is still mired in chronic feature regression.
boeush - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
That is to say, 7+years later... Even sadder. At least we finally get a high-DPI screen at 17" as an option. Not that it helps a whole lot when shortage of screen vertical real estate is what's actually the major PITA for anyone working on content creation as opposed to consumption...lilo777 - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
I see your point but I would expect that the vast majority of content creators work at the desk and thus would not care about the display size too much (while still enjoying that 17" real estate however crippled by a bad form factor on occasions where they have to go mobile)icrf - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
I agree completely. I also have very find memories of my M6400 (died in a house fire).raiseApint - Wednesday, August 12, 2015 - link
Ditto on the 16:9 obsession. Ordered a 17" zbook two weeks ago as attempting to work on a 15.5 raises the blood pressure.nerd1 - Monday, August 17, 2015 - link
16:9 works just okay if the screen is large enough, and there are enough vertical pixels.Oh and you can ALWAYS attach huge external displays when you work.
lilmoe - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
Do these come with battery bridge tech (changing batteries without turning off the device)?lilmoe - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
Something else, I'm assuming that's Thunderbolt over USB-C on the back right? So is it capable of USB 3.1?MikhailT - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
If it is using Alpine Ridge controller, yes, it is TB3 at 40Gbps via USB-C and USB 3.1 gen 2 is included as well. All TB3 will be via USB-C as it'll use the alt mode of USB-C standard.lilmoe - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
I've found this:https://www.thinkworkstations.com/wp-content/uploa...
Also, PC Word are reporting that Lenovo are indeed using an Alpine Ridge controller. 40Gb/s TB3 and 10Gb/s USB 3.1.
eSyr - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
So, comparing P70 to W701:* looks like they have been inspired by nearly the same chassis; at least, placement of SC reader, DC port, Ethernet port and drive bays are the same;
* port icons, handily doubled on the sides of palm rest on W701 (see http://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_processed_... for example), are missing on P70
* can't find SDXC card readed placement on provided renders of P70;
* in W701, audio in and out are separate jacks, in P70 they are not;
* no thinklight, digitizer, 16:10 display, esata, second display option, CF card reader option;
* can't find WLAN/WWAN/BT indicators on P70, as well as sleep/power/ac/battery indicators (i suppose latter group is combined in power button light); no indicators on external side of the lid as well (W701 had colorimeter/battery/ac/sleep indicators);
* looks like speakers become even more shitty comparing to W701;
* no comments regarding keyboard layout because nobody cares anyway.
murak01 - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
Just logged in to say that there are people who really do care about the keyboard (among other things thinkpad)http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/retro-thinkpad-surv...
Do the surveys (4), make your voice heard, Lenovo is listening :)
bernstein - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
sounds cool & cheap but 3.4kg? no way! i wish they trimmed that port shit down to just USB 3.1 & thunderbolt 3 / mini dp. and dropped that superflous hdd / dvd space...boeush - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
Man, what is it with the whimp nation taking over the world? 3.4 kg too heavy?! What are you, a 10 year old kid, a 90 year old codger, or suffering from muscular distrophy?Mobile workstations aren't meant to be used as frisbees. If you ever wind up having kids, I hope you have enough upper body strength to carry around a 7+ pound newborn - because that's what 3.4 kg is equivalent to. Geez...
boeush - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
Seriously dude, hit the gym every once in a while, or at least do a couple dozen push-ups every morning, or at least carry around a 3.4 lb workstation on avregular basis - and get some muscle mass into those spindly skeletal arms of yours...jbwhite99 - Friday, August 14, 2015 - link
3.4kg is a big improvement! Keep in mind the W701 (referred to above) weighed in at about 4.5kg, and the AC adapter was another kg! 17" notebooks, especially ones with big videocards, need lots of vents, which add weight. The heatsink for a 47w TDP CPU will have a lot of copper.If you want a light, powerful system, get a Lavie Z (weighs less than a kg). But it is only a 14" screen, and has a regular i7, no memory slots, no changeable HDD, no optical.
For those looking for a BluRay, don't hold your breath, I'm afraid. The cost of 9.5mm BR is crazy (don't know if this is 9.5 or 12.7 mm). In terms of keyboards, Lenovo has chosen this as their standard. I'm holding on to my T420 for that reason. But it still beats any other one on the market.
murak01 - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
I like the dedicated buttons below the trackpad.Gc - Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - link
What is the significance of the battery cell count?Different batteries have different cell capacity.
66 W h / 4 cells = 16.5 W h / cell
90 W h / 6 cells = 15 W h / cell
96 W h / 8 cells = 12 W h / cell
Including the cell count seems irrelevant and potentially confusing.
The only relevance I can think of is maybe lower cell count for similar W h means less packaging weight, but battery mass could be a clearer indicator of energy / mass efficiency.
merikafyeah - Wednesday, August 12, 2015 - link
I'm assuming that 1 TB PCIe SSD is NVMe enabled?AnnonymousCoward - Wednesday, August 12, 2015 - link
Look at all that extra screen bezel. What a waste! When will laptop companies start asking LG for non-16:9 panels??? The year 2025?Zan Lynx - Wednesday, August 12, 2015 - link
Forget asking for the taller screen. It's 4K! Hold your head closer and imagine the edges aren't there. You can get a ridiculous amount of text on a 4K display and still read it. I have a Dell m3800 with 4K and I know.What I do sometimes is lean back in my recliner, rest the laptop on my chest about 8" from my eyes and type with chicken wing arms. Works great.
boeush - Wednesday, August 12, 2015 - link
Works great until your eyes give out, and you're stuck for life wearing beer bottle glasses. Healthy distance between screen and eye is about 40 cm minimum (that's ~16" for the metrically impaired.) Anything closer and you are setting yourself up for chronic near-sightedness. Your optometrist will love you.So yeah, either that, or strap a pair of binoculars to your face, or actually use screens large enough that you don't need to scrape them with your nose in order to read non-jumbo sized text.
nerd1 - Monday, August 17, 2015 - link
I am still sure my clevo with 4790K desktop CPU will be much faster than this. EEC rams are way overrated IMO, and for serious number crunching mobile quadro is a joke anyway (you need BEEFY desktop GPUs with proper cooling for GPGPU)Only thing that's interesting is the 17" 4K panel - we have never seen such a thing so far. I wonder where I can source such a panel?
milkod2001 - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
Your Cleve with 4790K might be 50-70% faster while weights 2-3 times more. This is not to replace proper desktop workstations, this is for light workstation works on the go.ghost2015 - Sunday, November 1, 2015 - link
I will be ordering a P50, the specs look great! I still have a T60, it is working flawlesly. I had to replace a battery and display. I will have to retire my W530 which is running great, but I need more horse power and I intend to keep the machine as long as the legendary T60.ghost2015 - Sunday, November 1, 2015 - link
I've noticed that a DVD/optical drive is not mentioned... I guess I will have to play movies out of my 128GB flash drive. hmmmmfred-tech - Tuesday, November 17, 2015 - link
I've been looking and found a site that's selling both P50 & P70.....it shows the DVD is only available for the P70 - https://www.thinklogic.co.uk/p_series