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  • BigMamaInHouse - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    No Refresh can save them this time...
  • malukkhel - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Yeah ryzen is gonna hit hard this time I think (and I wish as well). Intel has become too lazy
  • FreckledTrout - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    They have become fat and lazy but they are a world class athlete. If they get back in shape they will be back in 2020.
  • Opencg - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    intels lazyness has already peaked probably around 4th or 5th generation. they are under heavy pressure from amd and their slow 10nm start. and amd is probably about to come out with something more competitive than ever for the mainstream desktop market.

    but if you look at intel today you can already see the results of the pressure. 9th gen has some insane value buys. 9600k and 9700k offer the best performance/price ever for those brackets in gaming. and they finnaly put stim back on the cpus. these early signs are good hopefully they keep it up. it takes a long time to develop these products so we could see them pushing forward again in 4+ years if they remember this lesson amd is teaching them.

    nice to have competition in the market again.
  • peevee - Thursday, May 2, 2019 - link

    How is 9700k a value buy when you can get AMD $100 cheaper and with enabled SMT (+50% MT performance, unlike Intel's HT which is disabled in i7 anyway)?
  • 240hzGamer - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Can you provide me lottery numbers please? Thank you
  • nevcairiel - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    They bet too much on 10nm, and when it was delayed so much, they didn't have any competition to force them to re-spin Ice Lake onto 14nm right away. And when Zen came out, it probably was too late, since such things take time.

    Basically, decisions from years ago haunt them today, as they can't react fast enough without 10nm. For competitiveness sake, lets all hope that 10nm arrives in 2020 and delivers what was promised - then we might get actual competition back with updated products from both vendors.
  • sorten - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    I agree. AMD is going to own the desktop market in about two months.
  • TEAMSWITCHER - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Not likely..
  • Korguz - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    i guess you are using the same crystal ball and can see the future like HStewart, TeamSwitcher ???
  • No_such_username - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    ...If with "Desktop Market" you mean the "New/Upgraded System Home Enthusiast Market", then yes, without a doubt.
    However, never forget the Huge boring, ultra-conservative, traditional non-workstation corporate Blarghh-desktop OEM market.
    AFAICT the OEM's are still pushing Intel (and form personal anecdotal experience, sometimes 7th Gen Intel at that) onto those clients, and that is not about to change...
  • PeachNCream - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Pretty much this stuff here. Intel will land massive OEM bulk deals with the likes of Dell, HP, and so forth that will keep the company chugging along. AMD can't just be at a rough parity. In order to reach market dominance, the company must deliver products that offer so much more value to those OEMs that they will be willing to shift years of momentum in business partnerships over to an "unproven" competitor.

    And anyway, the desktop market is declining significantly. It is still a big chunk of money, but I think we've long since hit the top of the plateau.
  • Irata - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    I think part of the value Intel offers to OEM (besides design help) is the incentive cheque that helps pad the C level executives annual bonus.

    Sadly, this seems to be their way to secure market share - throw wads of money at the right people to make competition go away.

    We have all seen how good this was for the market after they got rid of the Athlon problem a few years back (when said wads of money ensured that you had the hardest time even finding any OEM Athlon systems, let alone laptops at all).
  • Spunjji - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link

    It's not just OEMs they do this with. I used to work for a small IT reseller in the UK, and Intel would give them "Marketing Development Funds" with bonuses for selling enough products with Intel CPUs in them. AMD would occasionally send their guys in too, but the difference was pretty stark - they were focused on product education and competitive analysis, while the Intel people were focused on making it clear that selling their products would get us kickbacks.
  • Great_Scott - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    The "Huge Boring Corporate" market isn't going to be happy with product shortages. That's at least one good reason for AMD to be making inroads.
  • drothgery - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    The standard corporate office worker market has been almost all laptops (and almost all with U-series parts since Haswell) for a long time now, at least in the US.
  • deil - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link

    corpo market will be very slow to adopt RYZEN but with new type of data steal hacks that cannot be "fixed" and exists in all intels, they might start to sway because of security.
    they did banhammer many things because of worse reason....
  • Gastec - Friday, April 26, 2019 - link

    True that. I experience it on my own skin every day, working for one of those multi-national, greedy but cheap, corrupted but well hiding it Blaaarghs. Das Auto.
  • Great_Scott - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Probably not on the high end. All Intel needs to do is rediscover HT.

    That said, Intel's insane product segmentation is a sign that they still aren't taking RyZen seriously. If so, that's a huge mistake.
  • Opencg - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    if you mean hyperthreading its kinda pointless for 90% of games and doesnt make a huge difference in the end. games are not optimised to run efficiently with that level of multithreading. its usually better to give each thread its own resources and execution ability. just look at some 9900k vs 9700k benchmarks. they are virtually the same with the 9700k even pulling out ahead quite often.
  • 29a - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    People do a lot more with computers than play games.
  • Opencg - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    i suppose you have a point but honestly the value market for threaded performance is what amd is doing best right now. in most catagories intel hasnt seen much of a loss in threaded value. the real standout is the 8700k vs 9700k which you would easily get the 8700k if you wanted thread count. but its only one generation back and intel would be competing in a saturated market including with their own products.
  • shusse82 - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    I concur with everyone. 16 threads are probably not used as efficiently for games as they could be. Yet someone else makes a good point that 16 threads applies to more than games.

    Personally, I've combined the two. If I'm stuck on a game on my 9900K, I press the windows key, fire up, chrome or firefox, and search for the answer, opening as many tabs as I need without any slowdown when I check back and forth between the game and the browser.
    Is the good speed because of the 16 threads or just because the 9900K is a fast chip?
    I don't know. Maybe someone can chime in on this?
  • Opencg - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    the extra threads only matter when the 2 threads of a core can share the cache and execute in a way that actually runs faster than a single thread would without sharing its resources. its complicated but the extra threads pay off the most when alot of computation needs to be done at the same time all in the same way. video encoding is a good example since it requires alot of the same type of computation and can be split into many similar routines.

    if you are running alot of programs that work like this then the threads can pay off giving nearly double the performance but games will always have some code that needs 1 thread taking its own core to complete the fastest. and much of what could be hyperthreaded often isnt due to the cost of programming. as far as running many programs it depends on how well they each hyperthread. each program will need its own core. but the programs that can hyperthread will take up less time on each core.
  • GlossGhost - Monday, May 6, 2019 - link

    There are a few games that make use of cores and threads and scale well, but you really have to identify those and see if you're playing one of them and if it will be worth it in the end. However I would always prefer HT over no HT.
  • RobATiOyP - Friday, May 10, 2019 - link

    The whole peformance advantage of SMT is when 1 CPU is blocked due to memory stalls, which CPUs do a whole load of prediction to try to avoid happening as it costs 100's of cycles and is generally invisible at the OS level.
    Sometimes 2 threads on one 1 core can run slower, nearer to memory speeds, so saving power by interleaving memory access, rather than have a single turbo core sucking juice whilst busy waiting on memory accesses.
    Software developers aren't given time required to deliver quality and fix real bugs, so Intel segmenting the HT market for monetisation reasons, actually killed off mainstream benefits as hardly anyone writes code for 20% of the market
  • RobATiOyP - Friday, May 10, 2019 - link

    I used to do this on a single CPU, it seems in the PC world most journalists/readers forget that 99% of threads spend almost all of their real wall time idle, blocked. You DO NOT need a core or even SMT to have benefits from multi-programming which was originally invented to maximise usage of expensive mainframe CPUs.
    Games and highly efficient programs often operate on data flows, which maximises performance due to cache effects, whereas naive approaches like spawning 100's of threads, stall on cache misses. The massively parallel part of games is delegated to a specialised co-processor, it's the Amdahl's law remnants which are hard to parallelise which are focussing gamers on single-thread performance
  • RobATiOyP - Friday, May 10, 2019 - link

    It's always "better" to have a whole core, rather than merely the 5% extra registers and logic stuff that HT needs. But if you're trying to maximise processing from a die for performance per $ (or watts consumed) then HT shines, because it allows a CPU stalled on memory for 100's of cycles to do something useful.
    Intel's market segmentation has disincentivised software developers from writing the code that maximises the benefits of HT (like sibling threads pre-loading caches) because that work only benefits a part of the market part of the time, so is just NOT done, like boring non remunatarive pursuits like quality coding and bug fixing.
    HT is a feature that like 64bit addressing makes sense to software producers when > 90% of their target market supports it. Unlike optional math instructions that can be patched in transparently to isolated routines on the fly at runtime, it affects the whole architecture of a program.
  • 240hzGamer - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Can you also tell me the lottery numbers? Thanks
  • Gastec - Friday, April 26, 2019 - link

    The majority of Consumers don't even know what Ryzen is, heck they don't even know what AMD is. They only know that the processors in ALL the computers they have ever seen or bought are made by Intel and AT MOST they have a vague understanding that i7 is better that i3 because 7 is moar than 5.
    Whenever I'm talking to my work colleagues, all "engineers", about AMD Ryzen CPU's or graphic cards they look at me like I'm some sort of freak.
  • albert89 - Saturday, April 27, 2019 - link

    Not just dominate desktop.
  • Gtx>Rtx - Sunday, January 24, 2021 - link

    my man knew what's up
  • sorten - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    The only question remaining for me is whether or not AMD will be competitive in the 15-20 watt TDP range where Intel's U series chips dominate. AMD has had trouble with efficiency, so depending how that turns out this generation I may still wait for Intel's 10nm chips for my Surface Pro refresh.
  • BigMamaInHouse - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    How do they "Dominate?" did you see the real life performance of those "15W" i7 whiskey lake? they get under 500pts in CB R15 (Check latest HP X360 review)in second run, you are paying high Premium for i7 Quad Core and getting less performance then cheap i5 8250u! Ultrabook having really hard time cooling those "15W" TDP CPU's. It's like if you were paying 1200$ for RTX 2080Ti but getting only RTX 2060 Performance after 10 sec gamplay.
    IMO it's just marketing gimmick like "95" 9900K lol.
  • Jorgp2 - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    >How do they "Dominate?"

    By actually selling them.

    >did you see the real life performance of those "15W" i7 whiskey lake? they get under 500pts in CB R15 (Check latest HP X360 review)in second run, you are paying high Premium for i7 Quad Core and getting less performance then cheap i5 8250u! Ultrabook having really hard time cooling those "15W" TDP CPU's. It's like if you were paying 1200$ for RTX 2080Ti but getting only RTX 2060 Performance after 10 sec gamplay.

    You mean how like AMDs APUs manage to do better?
    Or how they have better battery life?

    >IMO it's just marketing gimmick like "95" 9900K lol.

    Lol
  • BigMamaInHouse - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Yes- this is the sad truth, and only we the customers are suffering from it and paying premium.
  • HStewart - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Most customers are not gamers with desktops and trust Intel. That is why Intel sells.
  • yankeeDDL - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    The biggest problem in my opinion is the lack of offering on AMD.
    I have been waiting for some offerings with the Ryzen 7 2800H (also, a 45W unit) and there isn't even a review yet, and the CPU was announced last November. It's almost time for the 3*** series and we don't have laptops with the 2800H yet.
  • FreckledTrout - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    I think them not going to hard in mobile / low power has been smart. Once they are on the 7nm node that is when they become super competitive with Intel and hopefully push hard into mobile / low power then as well.
  • HStewart - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Ignoring 80% of the market is not smart at all and 7nm will not change that - by that time Sunny Cove will be out and AMD will be back to drawing books. There is also some rumors that next Xbox will be Intel based ( likely Sunny Cove maybe with Xe graphics )

    I think these 9 series are hold over to Sunny Cove later this year - mobile first because that is where the primary market it - like 2020 for desktop market - server could be earlier
  • Korguz - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    HStewart.. PLEASE let the rest of us see into your crystal ball, and find a way to allow us to see into the future like you can...

    here you go again making claims about how intels next cpu will put them back on top and be faster then any thing out there... you really are an intel fan arent you ??
  • Irata - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Most customers buy what the OEM offer and strangely that is still mostly Intel, especially the nicer systems.
  • No_such_username - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Sadly, this is correct.
    AMD still has a near 10 year long quasi-absence in the non-enthusiast PC market darkening it's name, and this will take a lot of time to beat.
    Intel during almost all of the Core i era as been seen as the reliable solution. Even, pre-Ryzen, on the gaming market...
  • Korguz - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    HStewart... no.. thats not the full reason why intel sells.. its the fact that the majority of systems in stores.. desktop OR laptop.. are intel based.. there could be various reasons as to why, constant rumors of incentives from intel, strong arm tactics etc...
  • RobATiOyP - Friday, May 10, 2019 - link

    You're right! My ancient AMD A10 APU laptop still smokes much more expensive biz oriented laptops with those sexy i7 .. U naming schemes when performance matters most often, as it tends to be real time graphics like in games.
    And my i7/Nvidia gaming laptop is a hand cooker, when the AMD A10 is hardly spinning it's fans. What it really doesn't do well in is benchmark suits, real use paired with a Samsung 960 evo, people who use it actually like it better!
  • HStewart - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    10nm Surface Pro will not actually be refresh, but a completely new bread of computers. Architexture sounds amazing especially with dual load and now dual store - but if you look at the diagram closely it they are separate which means they are designed to work at same time.
  • Smell This - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link


    Maybe Jim Keller can provide Chipzillah a *Thermal Velocity Boost* in the pants.
  • Smell This - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link


    "Leading the way with cutting-edge color glossy photographs in their 9th Gen Press Slide Deck Power Point presentations ..."
  • 240hzGamer - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Can you tell me the lottery numbers aswell? Appreciated.
  • Gastec - Friday, April 26, 2019 - link

    I can, name the country and method of paying (6 figures).
  • Irata - Thursday, May 16, 2019 - link

    And now we know why HT is disabled on almost all 9th gen Core CPU. It seems that this was Intel's "fix" for Zombieload et al.
  • rhx123 - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    So much coming off the chipset these days and still only connected by DMI 3.0, what a sham.
  • Jorgp2 - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    That's the same for AMD
  • rhx123 - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    No TB3 on AMD, not that it excuses them, but it migitates the impact.
  • HStewart - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    AMD will eventually have TB3 because USB 4
  • jeremyshaw - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    To be fair, AMD has 20 usable PCIe lanes coming from the CPU (stated use case: 16x for GPU + 4x for NVMe). Intel only has 16. Both have another "4 lanes" that are only used by their chipsets.

    In the Intel configuration, one fast NVMe 4x and one 10GbE adapter are always going to be in contention, nevermind 2 fast NVMe drives.

    This really only hurts on Intel U series packages ("OPI" = on package DMI 3.0), where the CPU exposes 0 PCIe lanes and has all 10-20 PCIe lanes coming from the chipset. TB3, NVMe, dGPU, Ethernet, WiFi, SD card reader, etc, all fighting for that 4x connection.
  • Irata - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Nope. AMD does offer more PCIe lanes directly from the CPU.
  • penev91 - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    It's something ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • nismotigerwvu - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    So we're at Broadwell Refresh, Refresh, Refresh, Refresh now then? It's sad how stagnant Intel has gotten. Competition from AMD wasn't exactly fierce when they managed to to eek ~25% more performance when they moved along through Sandy Lake to Broadwell but we've more or less been at a standstill during a slightly longer time period now (aside from core count increases at the very top end of the product stack). They've got all the talent and resources in the world, but are really intent on squandering them along with the massive technological lead they punted away in the process. We'll have to look to Zen2 for excitement I guess.
  • jeremyshaw - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    In which world does 14nm = Broadwell?
    Now I have to wonder how many people still believe all modern Intel CPUs are hotted up P6 cores...
  • 29a - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    This world, Broadwell was 14nm.
  • PeachNCream - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Just as reference: https://www.anandtech.com/show/7318/intel-demos-14...
  • nismotigerwvu - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Well that's an odd statement. One, I never mentioned anything about the manufacturing node and two, Broadwell was indeed a 14 nm product anyway. Lastly, it's also not something to get worked up over and perhaps there are even people who believe those chips are hotted up 386's ;)
  • Oyster - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Still just 40 PCI-E lanes... lame. I hope AMD matches/beats expectations with their new platform.
  • HollyDOL - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Doubt they can magically get anything more without 10nm. And it seems they've bet everything on 10nm process and now squeeze breadcrumbs without having it at hand for mass production.
  • gijames1225 - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Incredibly underwhelming. Withholding HT on everything under and i9 is going to be really awkward when the Ryzen 3000s come out and eat their lunch, again, in anything remotely multi-threaded.

    Given how these aren't even trying to compete, I'm a little nervous that Intel is counting on contracts and backroom dealings to not lose the entire desktop market.
  • gsalkin - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Got a small typo: the i7-9700s should have a base clock of 3.6 Ghz, not 3.0, per the slides.
  • R3MF - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    "goes to show you how much Intel values its current graphics implementation."

    Surely this is doubly true for how much Intel values its 'SMT' implementation?

    i.e. hyperthreading.

    All those eight core cpu's, all those six core cpu's, all those four core cpu's, and hyperthreading is available on only *some* of the eight core SKU's!
  • Valantar - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    "Musclebook"? Oh dear. Ugh. They're really going after the insecure hypermasculine crowd here, aren't they?
  • bji - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    You're saying women don't have muscles? Sexist.
  • Valantar - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Lawl, nope, only saying that the cultural connotations of a neologism like "musclebook" will be with a) similar words like "muscle car" (which would then appeal to the demographic I pointed to, as I would include most muscle car enthusiasts in that group), and b) values and ideas traditionally (and largely still) coded as masculine in most western cultures - like muscles (and having (large/powerful) muscles), strength, machismo, competitions of strength, physical domination, etc.
  • Spunjji - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link

    The fact that they jumped to an implication you didn't make and then inaccurately labelled it as "sexist" suggests you *might* have gone over their head a little with your response, but bravo nonetheless xD
  • NWCherokee - Thursday, May 9, 2019 - link

    You saying women can't be insecure and hypermasculine? :)
  • Speedfriend - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link

    So you have to be insecure to exercise and have muscles. In my personal experience, insecure people are the ones without muscles..
  • Spunjji - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link

    Heads-up, friend: your evident need to reply to a perceived attack that wasn't actually made (re-read the post you responded to - it doesn't say what you claim it did) with a personal anecdote *strongly* implies insecurity on your part to an unbiased observer.

    I'd recommend brushing up on the logical differences between a limited observation and a claim about all members of a group.
  • PeachNCream - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link

    It's a misspelling for Musselbook. Intel is marketing at bivalve molluscs all over the world in order to tap into an as yet unserved set of potential underwater customers.
  • futurepastnow - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    No 6C/12T part for desktop? That seems like one of the sweet spots to me.
  • yankeeDDL - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Fascinating. Hypertrading only at core i9 level. It almost looks like Excavator!
    Why would they do that? A core i3, 4C/8T would not be so bad, but to go to 8 Threads I need to go up to core i7 ($323). Wow.
  • GreenReaper - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link

    I imagine part of it is trying to segment the market further, and part of it is limiting liability for Spectre-style attacks based on the L1 cache-sharing inherent to their implementation.
  • yankeeDDL - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link

    I hadn't thought of that: good point.
    Still, this would mean that their most "vulnerable" (or perhaps "exposed" is a better term?) CPU are their top-of-the-line ones.
    For sure it is a bold move: if the Ryzen 3K series will really offer a minimum of 4C/8T, up to 8C/16T we could be in a situation where entry-level ryzen chips (<$100 price) could be competitive, in multi-threaded applications, with core-i7 grade chips. Given intel's IPC advantage, we could expect an equivalence core-i5/Ryzen 3, core i7/Ryzen 5, core i9/Ryzen 7.
    And if the Ryzen 9 (16C/32T) desktop part appears, it will trounce the high end. Exciting times ahead!
  • rgba - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    i9-9700K is probably a typo. Can't find any info on the ARK website, and it's not marked as "New SKU" on press slide.
  • dullard - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Correct, it is just a typo. They are i7-9700K.
  • WickedMONK3Y - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    So anybody with an i7-9700K almost instantly has a collectors item because in its refresh its been renamed to the i9-9700K but is NOT faster but it is a K so should be i9? Ok whomever Intel has hired for marketing and naming these CPUs is not very smart...

    Intel has a major problem coming when Zen2 launches and it is not going to be pretty. If Zen2 is anything like it is being hyped to be, Intel will have to jump through some hoops and pray to every deity in existence to catch up... And yet in the face of competition they are stuttering big time.
  • imaheadcase - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    I'm telling you intel, name the processors something easier like "Fast, Faster, Fastest, Ludicrous speed".
  • LMonty - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    I prefer the speed settings in Johnny English's "wheelchair" : FAST, V.FAST and F.FAST. 😆
  • FreckledTrout - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Oh Intel is underestimating AMD on this refresh a bit to much in my opinion. If this refresh replaced all the 6-core parts with 8-core parts, the 4-cores parts become 6-core parts, and the 2-core parts disappeared they would have a nice refresh using the same technology.
  • Rqtect - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Only 8 Cores what a piece of garbage. Slow And an energy hog ... I guess it is a AMD for my next desktop.
  • Mazarax - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Do mobile i9 cpus have AVX512?
  • SanX - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Do all these "refreshed" Intel processors have avx512? Will next gen AMD chips have avx512?
  • coschizza - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link


    no avx512 to intel and no to amd
  • eastcoast_pete - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Thanks Ian! Two questions: I assume the maximum turbo frequency is for a single core. Any words from Intel on sustainable all-core turbo? Also, I noted the absence of any newer generation Core-M. Has Intel abandoned that concept?
  • HStewart - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    The Y series are likely Ice Lake processors on Sunny Core and Gen 11 graphics coming this fall .
  • Valantar - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link

    It's been a couple of years since Intel stopped officially listing n-core turbo speeds in spec sheets. Doubt it's coming back, despite the fact that this can be checked very easily by anyone with a chip in a working system.
  • Alsw - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Certainly takes some getting your head around the naming coventions again, many people still have it in their mind that i7=best when in fact an i5 or i3 will often be more than adequate for their needs. Atleast the desktop and mobile naming is starting to come together and serious news that we have gone from 4 core to 8 cores on both lower end desktop CPU's and mobile in no time at all! By the way any mention of Xeons mobile or desktop, usually these are very similar but with some frequency differences + ECC support but last time there were also some unique 4core/8thread options presumably to get around the need for a more expensive Microsoft Windows 10 Pro for Workstations 6 cores Plus license.
  • Mr Perfect - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    "Intel hasn’t reached out to us about reviewing any of these new processors, so if you have any thoughts of what parts you want to see tested, please let us know."

    I'd be curious to see the i7-9700 non-K get tested, but only to see what TDP it will end up running at boost clocks. Will a non-overclockable SKU have a reasonable TDP, or will motherboard OEMs find a way to muck that up too?
  • shabby - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Those are some talented marketing guys who can draw up new slides for cpus with a 100mhz bump.
  • RU482 - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    half ass effort by Intel....no embedded 9th gen CPUs...wtf
  • HStewart - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    I wondering with this series, that some of i7 series laptop chips will out performed some of desktop i7's. That would be interesting test at least in CPU market - possibly even in GPU market with NVidia new mobile GPU.
  • 1_rick - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    The H-series has lower TDPs, though, so they probably won't hold those high clock speeds long. I have a laptop with an 8250, and if you open the CPU, it will drop down to close to the base speed pretty fast. 45W will obviously last longer, but the same principle applies.
  • benzosaurus - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Hang on a sec, I need to enter my Personal Identification Number number into an Automated Teller Machine machine in order to get some cash to buy a Desk Top Replacement replacement.
  • GreenMeters - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    So the IGP and non-IGP variants of the same processor have the same number of cores, same number of threads, same base frequency, same turbo frequency, same L3 cache, and same TDP. The "F" is the same exact chip, but missing IGP. Why are they the same MSRP? What is the market for paying the same price for something almost the same but missing one feature?
  • catavalon21 - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    I wondered the same thing, as well as why it has the same TDP. Removing or disabling IGP should reduce power or move that power to increasing some other performance facet...shouldn't it?
  • GreenReaper - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link

    See the die-dumping comment below, but also it might be that the CPU can use higher turbo bins because it doesn't have to consider the power usage of the GPU. Not sure that is true, though.
  • The_Assimilator - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link

    The market is that Intel can't supply enough product due to the ongoing 14nm/10nm World's Slowest Trainwreck, so they've resorted to selling dies that previously would've been dumped. That they sell said faulty dies at the same price as working ones is a shit in the face of consumers, but honestly... if you're dumb enough to buy an Intel CPU over Ryzen at this point in time, you deserve to get fucked over.
  • garycahn - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Nowhere in the article does it tell us whether any of these new cores are immune to the Spectre problem that surfaced more than a year ago. Does anyone know the answer to this question?
  • isthisavailable - Thursday, May 16, 2019 - link

    Would like to know as well.
  • HeyYou,It'sMe - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Well. This author wrote about Thermal Velocity Boost in the past, and a simple Google brings up a wealth of information and reporting about this from a ridiculous number of sources. Apparently he has forgotten this.

    Also, the i7-9700K has been in the market forever, and this very site has reviewed it. Unsurprisingly, other tech sites reported the chip as an i7 correctly, which means they were obviously able to spot the error on a processor that has been at retail for six months. Perhaps emailing the company and exercising the most basic of journalistic skills is in order here.

    I'm not sure that these are mistakes. They feel like attempts to get attention/traffic.
  • WMGroomIV - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    Can someone explain to me what the point of the F-series is? They don't appear to clock better and they are being priced the same as their non-F counterparts with IGPs. Is this a security thing or is it being targeted at OEM system builders? Just don't see why someone would give up the option of an IGP for no cost savings.
  • Korguz - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    from the article almost right at the top :

    K = Overclockable
    KF = Overclockable with No Integrated Graphics
    No Suffix = Standard CPU, 54-65W TDP, Integrated Graphics
    F = No Integrated Graphics
    T = Low Power, 35W TDP
  • WMGroomIV - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link

    I get that, but why does the F-series even exist if they are pricing it the same as the equivalent chip with an IGP? I would even understand having an F-series chip if they were $20 to $30 less than the non F-series chips but spending the same price for a part missing features seems limiting.
  • Korguz - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link

    why ?? because intel can.. and people will still buy them... and intel..only cares about their bottom line... and keeping the investors happy..
  • Cellar Door - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link

    When a Pentium chip has HyperThreading but your i7 DOESN'T ....feels bad man
  • GlossGhost - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link

    IMAGINE LOL
  • The_Assimilator - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link

    WTF is this stupidity?

    i5 9600K: 6c/6t, $262
    Ryzen 5 2600X: 6c/12t, $249 (currently $180 on sale)

    The only thing that the Intel chip has over the AMD is the higher turbo and possibility of hitting 5GHz with a golden chip... If Ryzen 2 is able to hit ~4.5GHz reliably it is game over for Intel.
  • Jumangi - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link

    I still never understand why they need so many sku's...
  • peevee - Friday, May 3, 2019 - link

    If you hire marketoids instead of engineers, they will find something to write in their weekly reports.
  • crotach - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link

    I can't wait for 2030 and 14nm++++++ CPUs :)
  • rev3rsor - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link

    On the mobile page, it says the i3 parts are 4C/8T, but that looks the i5s - typo? Also, leads me to wonder what the actual i3 parts will be, quad no HT or dual with HT...
  • GlossGhost - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link

    Why is there no 100% HT availability to the i-series processors? Does it cost Intel too much?
  • peevee - Friday, May 3, 2019 - link

    How would they sell i9s if i7s are the same?

    Not having HT on 4-core i3s is a major bummer. But beyond that cache and memory bus contention makes HT even less useful.
  • drajitshnew - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link

    They are taking about Samsung 32 GB , modules. Ian can you at least do a pipeline post regarding them, their price & availability (for non US markets also if possible). Searching for 32GB desktop memory gets you only kits with 16 GB modules. If you remove desktop you get kits & Registered memory. I haven't searched for 32GB sodimm but would like to know about them as well.
    Also, considering that Samsung dies have been the souls ( or sole) of memory over locking, you might want to do a full article on them-- of you can get them, with say 9900K + Ryzen + Ryzen threadripper 2950X
    Thanks
  • Krayzieka - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link

    Be prepare intel market is on big time. The tdp isnt real look at that low base clock
  • prtk_mndl - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link

    If you have to base your comparison to 5 year old performance to show improvement... you are doomed Intel.
  • TElliott - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link

    What I'd like to see is a desktop-class mothetboards running mobile processors! How about a fully water-cooled i9-9980HK overclocked to the limit against a 9900K? With the thermals being so much lower on mobile processors, I bet they are overclockable way past what their desktop counterparts like the 9900K can do! The future is mobile processors only. As the performance gap between mobile and desktop has basically been reduced to zero, desktop CPUs actually don't even make sense anymore. I believe desktop processors can soon become a thing of the past as long as motherboard manufacturerers start making the parts. Asus, MSI, Gigabyte.. wake-up already!
  • bajs11 - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link

    9th? or more like Skylake refresh(Kaby lake), refresh(Coffee lake), refresh (this so called 9th gen)
    But I am also very confused because according to Wikipedia:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaby_Lake#List_of_Ka...
    There is also a so called 8th gen Kaby Lake R mobile cpus
    and here I thought 8th gen is called Coffee Lake?
    so how many freaking Lakes are there and how many Sky Lake refreshes are there??
  • Gastec - Friday, April 26, 2019 - link

    This is just the beginning. 10-15 years from now we will have new "next-gen" CPU's and smartphones releasing every 3 months with ads to BUY BUY BUY popping out everywhere, including in your operating system, like when you are watching a streamed film or reading an e-book.
  • piasabird - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link

    Dont ever plan on purchasing any AMD Product ever.
  • Korguz - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link

    oh ?? why not??? you like paying for overpriced cpus ?? :-)
  • Tkan215215 - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link

    support AMD all the way regardless of zen 2 or not. We will see if intel old contract tactic and bribing will work and take effect this second times!
  • Gastec - Friday, April 26, 2019 - link

    I think that the F = No Integrated Graphics CPU's should cost less money that the ones with integrated graphics. And how much power do Intel CPUs consume again in gaming and any other heavy workload? 180, 200 W? I was under the impression that the 95W (with +-5% tolerance :) was the MAXIMUM power consumption @ Turbo freq. I've read https://www.anandtech.com/show/13544/why-intel-pro... (good stuff) but I don't like to be deceived.
  • mpbrede - Friday, April 26, 2019 - link

    Are there any benchmarks or reviews that indicate if there is any benefit to the consumer in an F-series processor? Does it use slightly less power, does it run at lower TDP, etc.?
  • albert89 - Saturday, April 27, 2019 - link

    Love the i3-9100T @ 35W, but AMD's APU architecture
    gets reorganized every 6 months. Unfortunately both
    CPU's can't run Win7 or 8.1 because I can't stand Win10.
  • ballsystemlord - Saturday, April 27, 2019 - link

    Intel's benchmarks are vs. a 3 year old system and their claiming upwards of 30%. That means it Kaby Lake vs. Kaby Lake Refresh * 3 (Coffee Lake), so where's the performance coming from?

    @Ian can you guys check this when you do bench some of these? It's a real mystery to me, no bashing of either side intended.

    Thanks
  • Esteban Gonzalez - Sunday, May 5, 2019 - link

    As you asked. Will be good to have a i5 9600 analisys. At the first moment I think is the best alternative for a medium system. I really think that intel has serious problems for innovation. The 6th 7th and 8th series could be better alternatives bought on outlet or used. At the same Ghz nearly same performance. 1-5% difference is like SAME performance. Intel, really are you kidding us? My next cpu will be amd, not happened in the last 20 years. Hi everybody. I'm no usually post anything but this time intel really dissappoints. Good work.
  • Thanawat1997 - Saturday, May 11, 2019 - link

    In Intel 9th Gen Core Processors: All the Desktop and Mobile 45W CPUs Announced page on paragraph 5, at this word "Core i7-9750H supports ‘Partial Overclocking’". I think you type incorrect so that correct is Core i7-9750H Right?

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