I guess the big question is: How does the power penalty from using an ancient 180nm process compare with whatever penalties that using a NAND optimized process to make CMOS logic? If it's significantly worse, despite whatever higher throughput at smaller size increased power use could make this implementation untenable for smaller devices. OTOH there's probably nothing standing in the way of a 2nd/3rd generation using a relatively modernish process to build the logic die instead and delivering a win in lower power consumption.
To me the bigger question is how will it be price competitive on 180nm node?
Reading 180nm on Anandtech is like traveling back in time, I think the first Athlon, ( before Athlon 64 ) was on 180nm node ( or was it on 250nm node ? ) I cant remember. It was against the 180nm Pentium III.
That depends how big the logic is. If it's only a few percent of the area of a conventional flash die even using an ancient process will result in a really cheap component; and one of the main reasons people use elderly processes is that they're much cheaper than anything newish.
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DanNeely - Monday, August 6, 2018 - link
I guess the big question is: How does the power penalty from using an ancient 180nm process compare with whatever penalties that using a NAND optimized process to make CMOS logic? If it's significantly worse, despite whatever higher throughput at smaller size increased power use could make this implementation untenable for smaller devices. OTOH there's probably nothing standing in the way of a 2nd/3rd generation using a relatively modernish process to build the logic die instead and delivering a win in lower power consumption.iwod - Monday, August 6, 2018 - link
To me the bigger question is how will it be price competitive on 180nm node?Reading 180nm on Anandtech is like traveling back in time, I think the first Athlon, ( before Athlon 64 ) was on 180nm node ( or was it on 250nm node ? ) I cant remember. It was against the 180nm Pentium III.
DanNeely - Monday, August 6, 2018 - link
That depends how big the logic is. If it's only a few percent of the area of a conventional flash die even using an ancient process will result in a really cheap component; and one of the main reasons people use elderly processes is that they're much cheaper than anything newish.FreckledTrout - Monday, August 6, 2018 - link
I need to see this with independent testing of actual products before I believe it. This memory seems a little too good on paper.PeachNCream - Monday, August 6, 2018 - link
Yeah, I agree. The performance claims certainly seem fishy.WatcherCK - Monday, August 6, 2018 - link
Situation Vacant,steady hands and exceptional eyesight required, soldering skills a plus 😆
Just like making a PB and J sandwich really...
Seriously though, what are YTMC's sales channels though, server, consumer, government?
s.yu - Friday, August 10, 2018 - link
Government, direct collaboration with HiSilicon, etc.