Speaking of keeping your data safer...... Here is a juicy quote>
"One thing you still can’t do is actually view the site certificate. The information provided by Edge is very basic, with no option to open the certificate in the more advanced Windows certificate tools to check the trust chain"
Also irrelevant to the "Improved" security claim Microsoft still lets most "trusted" software through the Firewall by default as long as they have a "Valid" certificate
Yes, Microsoft lets malicious copies of CCleaner, VLC and pretty much all the other "trusted" applications who have been in the news lately because they had "Valid" certificates for compromised installers (Directly from the manufacturer B.T.W.)
Microsoft should block ALL applications by default (both sending and receiving) including ALL Windows components and telemetry "IF" they were concerned about end user security, but they are not
Microsoft now has all the telemetry they need to improve their products for older hardware so why won't they turn it off?
Because it's a Spyware Platform!
You can't really spy on EVERYONE if you close all the backdoors.....DUH!
and sending encrypted messages won't help you if the NSA is watching you type the message! Double DUH!
I hope you don't use any Intel CPU's if you're that concerned about spy ware in your system. The Intel Management Engine or ME is spying on you even of your system is powered down.Google is working on a solution to kill the MINIX based ME, but they haven't figured out how to do it yet without disabling some of the CPU's features. People don't really care about the collection of telemetry data, if they would really care than no one would buy any more cell phones, Chromebooks or Windows PC's. It has become a part of how we consume and use this devices.
Oh you are so wrong 5080 The Intel Management Engine is disabled and has never been used on ANY of my computers There is even an app you can download and check whether or not it is enabled
Intel constantly "optimized" ME on their CPU's. Who knows, when they can activate this without user consent. The disturbing part is that the option is there.
I think that was referring to a system with power connected, but in the "power off" state. The Intel Management Engine would still draw some power, so it wouldn't really be considered fully powered off. It just hasn't initialized the boot code from UEFI / BIOS / Etc. If I recall correctly, the Intel Management Engine doesn't require boot code to bring it up, but it can be reconfigured by the boot code. This is where coreboot could become useful if you want to disable the engine.
"Microsoft should block ALL applications by default " People love to make sweeping comments like that without thinking through the consequences. Block ALL? Sure. So what does your average home user do then? With everything blocked you have to give them some mechanism to unblock the things they need or want. Unfortunately 99.99% will have no idea....and will click "yes" or "OK" or whatever. OR they won't have any clue what to do and will only know they wanted something and it doesn't work. Then the people who can't figure out how to get to their google docs etc will be on here flaming about the Microsoft Conspiracy to prevent them from using third party products.
This psycho was running around comments not long ago screaming how he "hack-proofed" WinXP and "challenged hackers and various intelligence services around the world" to crack it. Make your conclusions.
I recall running around claiming that they couldn't "wreck" my box but I never said they couldn't "hack" my box
I would NEVER use XP for banking or passwords because even a read only system can be "hacked" but not permanently wrecked
This box is for testing the best of the best malware on the planet and it has often been "hacked" However, a simple reboot restores it to pristine and fully functional condition by wiping away any malware, so stop trolling with your fake news
I trust Microsoft diagnostic submissions a hell of a lot more than amazon, Facebook, or google. As a whole I trust Microsoft and Apple over just about any other tech company because they are the only two that have business models not revolving around ad revenue. That’s partially why Bing failed...it didn’t invade your privacy enough.
LOL and WOW, how dumb are you. Their business model revolves around milking people in every possible way they can as hard as they can. What an idiocy it is to assume they go though the effort to create an OS that is spyware at its core and they will not monetize on the acquired information just because they have other sources of revenue.
They did this in the wake of the sheeple devouring Google's and Apple's creations and paradigms.
If you can't beat em, join me.
Microsoft was one of the last bastions of personal privacy in an OS but ya'll told them, through your adoption practices, "hey it's cool. take my stuff" and so they did.
Facebook, Google, or Amazon also do it but lets be real, how can they monetize on my data? Will a company just suddenly guess what I like and dislike on FB? Do I find search results "adjusted" to my preference? Does Amazon give me different prices and offers than others? Idiocy!
Plus, there's no sensitive data about me on my phone but I have all kinds of stuff in my computer like scans of important documents, CVs, etc. No way I let M$ have that.
As if the average customer will actually ever check certificate information. Most don't even know what a certificate is...And your request concerning firewall protection would be for a very small minority of paranoid techno-geeks who represent an insignificant and small portion of the Windows using population... Enacting a default firewall rule to block everything would make the Windows experience cumbersome and inefficient for MOST users. Things work just fine as they are right now... You really need to get over yourself Mr. Fort Knox.
It's not going to make it 'less safe' either. Two and a half years after release, and not a single shred of evidence has been uncovered of Microsoft sending your files to themselves. And you can bet security researchers have been looking very closely too.
Fall creator update is certainly the best Win10 update, features are reasonably polished and the build is just a lot more stable... That being said, Win10 itself is bad.. slower than Win7 or even Win8.1 (and an order of magnitude than any Linux distro), you're forced to use the system in a way that you don't necessarily like, and updates are just shoved up the ass...
Yeah, good old w7 is still the best, as long as you keep close attention to what updates you are installing.
Unfortunately, m$ took measures against the selective installation of updates, and recently releases those "update bundles", each of which contains all the updates and you definitely don't want on your machine, such as telemetry.
Additionally, m$ colluded with hardware vendors to omit support for w7 from their latest hardware driver packages. Granted, some might actually work, but it is usually hacky and not 100% operational.
Really revolting, heinous, despicable behavior. Grade A scumbags...
Here is the other side of the coin. The vast majority of exploits which make it into the news are exploiting know things that only work on systems that have not installed updates. Wannacry was a perfect example.
I suspect it also has to do with frequent updates, developers can get lazy all they want when they must fix bugs or optimize performance, because they can always do it "next month".. Back in the days when you could push major code changes only once per version they had to work really hard to perfect every line of code.
Oh, and don't get me started on the whole "other big OS makers collect everything about you at all times" or "other big OS makers don't bother to push hardware vendors to support phone hardware more than 2-3 years so you only get 1 or 2 years of major updates". M$ is the real problem here.
@ddriver: "Oh, and don't get me started on the whole "other big OS makers collect everything about you at all times" or "other big OS makers don't bother to push hardware vendors to support phone hardware more than 2-3 years so you only get 1 or 2 years of major updates"."
You want me to brush aside grievances from other vendors to make Microsoft look worse by lack of comparison? I REFUSE!!! Phones and tablets may be consumption devices that you are better off leaving anything sensitive far away from, but they've been pushed as computer replacements, they've been developed for as computer replacements, and much of the market uses them as computer replacements. People email on their phones, send sensitive messages on their phones, use their phones to facilitate payments, and even bank on their phones. You can either call out people for doing things the are not educated enough to know they shouldn't do on their phones, or you can call out the vendors for creating and environment designed to cater to these practices while siphoning data in the background. Not everyone can be a security expert and the average consumer has a difficult enough time with malicious entities sending bad emails, texts, and links through their messenger/social app of choice. They shouldn't have to consider companies like Google, Microsoft, and Apple as malicious entities.
@ddriver: "M$ is the real problem here."
No. If Microsoft fixed everything, it would not affect the issues you stated above with other vendors. Microsoft's actions are problematic for sure and they should not be excused just because vendor X, Y, and Z are worse. However, Microsoft's actions are a symptom of a larger problem created by the anti-privacy features built into iOS and Android devices when smartphones were rising in popularity and perpetuated by the lack of concern over these privacy invading features by the worldwide market. If enough people wholesale dropped these platforms (read: Significant loss of profits) for a less invasive platform despite the extra costs and inconveniences involved, then they would fix some of these problems. Unfortunately, not enough people seem to care.
"slower than Win7 or even Win8.1" ---------------------------------------------- That depends..... Bootup and shutdown speed is markedly faster but doing anything with your data is markedly slower
I just again tested Windows 8.1 boot time at 14 seconds (that is normal) Win 10 Full Crapper Edition booted to the same PC with the same SSD in 5.3 seconds
Who cares about boot up speed, I boot up once every few months. Even a regular user doesn't boot up nowhere nearly enough to make a difference, when it craps over your entire usage.
Regular users, sure, but I measure it and care because I have been known to boot several different operating systems from this machine in a single day
BIOS is set so that there is no primary boot device, which means that I can swap drives (or thumb drives) while the computer is rebooting and it will boot to whatever is currently plugged in instead of fumbling in the BIOS to change the boot order
Makes testing something new quick and easy, whether its in XP, Linux, Win 7, Win 8 or any Edition of Spyware Platform 10
I also keep all the bootable SSD's on an external SATA to ESATA+USB Power cable so when I switch from SSD to thumb drive during a reboot, all I need to do is unplug the USB power to the SSD boot drive and plug in a thumb drive during reboot
Yeah, and they are all windoze 10, which saves that much time :)
I was talking about the boot time difference relative to w7, not the overall boot time.
I usually run at least 2-3 OS in the same time, it is much faster and far more usable when you use virtual machines rather than booting one OS at a time. You get to use them in parallel and also avoid the mobo post time. The only downside is you need plenty of ram.
Windoze 10 is a great OS, I just has an amazing experience with it the other day with its latest and greatest iteration.
A laptop was behaving weirdly, so I decided to do some checkups, beginning with a disk check.
Clicking to run the disk check, I was told that there is no need to run it because the disk is OK.
I insisted to run it nonetheless, and to automatically fix errors.
About 1 second in the check, I was told that the error check cannot continue because the drive contains errors, and to run it again after I fix the errors.
Great functionality, I have to admit. It's like ordering pizza and they tell you they can't deliver you pizza because you have no pizza, and to call back again when you have the pizza.
And what stunning graphics design, for example the settings dialogs are literally just a white background with 3 columns of text. It is like looking at HTML without the CSS styling applied. Just pathetic and hideous.
And in an all-too-typical for m$ fashion, they are more invested into introducing even more useless bloatware.
Then again I haven't actually done any troubleshooting without Google for so long... Google 1, M$ 0. And they could make those Windoze 10 menus with gold and glitter and they'd still suck. Because they're M$.
Protected folder option - great! Going to be checking this out and enabling on all my computers. I wonder how it works with network mapped drives? Will this folder have to be selected as a protected folder on all PC's that have write access?
I like the few fluent design elements in Start and Action Center. But why doesn't the Taskbar has it? Why are most Win32 application chrome window full solid color, a la W8? Why does Edge get so few features when releases are either 6 to 9 months apart? Most other browsers seem to add a lot of features every 4/5 weeks. But not Microsoft.
Anyway, Edge being faster/efficient/more reliable is a welcome improvement. Acrylic is nice. People is nice, if useless at the moment. Polishing Action Center is nice. Mixer improvements are nice.
Aaaaand I still hate that Skylake on Surface Pro 4 at least limits CPU speed to 800 MHz when watching Youtube videos using Edge.
"anit-cheating" typo? On the "Gaming Updates" page.
Also, besides bringing back some depth and transparencies there is zero in this update for me. Gaming Mode is something disable first. Leave my games alone Microsoft. Microsoft *does not* get PC gaming.
You forgot the "feature" where many people's start menu won't work anymore or is missing most items. Over 400 people on the MS forum have this problem (which mean many more "out there" surely do too), yet MS hasn't even acknowledged the problem).
It's probably worth mentioning that there's a problem with clean installs of Windows 10 Fall Creator's Update (1709) where opening Edge browser causes the State Repository Service process to spike your CPU to 100% and essentially locks up the PC. You can get around this by installing another browser off a USB stick, but it's really annoying on a fresh build. Some other actions also seem to trigger it, as well.
You never go in to enough detail for these updates. Your articles always miss out loads of new stuff and changes. The only reason i visit this site is for in-depth articles, not "The Verge" level crap, minus the SJW shit.
B3an, was there something in particular you were looking for that you didn't see? We're still trying to figure out the right level of depth for these Windows updates, especially since they're not wholly new OSes, and a lot of feature information is published ahead of time.
(None the less, this was still 6K word, 10 page article)
"Find My Pen".. or you could just have a hole in your tablet/laptop to stuff the stylus into.. I mean, my now 6 year old laptop has that feature, but my dad s brand spanking new Yoga 720 does not. Why, vendors and MS... WHY!?
Some devices don't come with bundled pen (including the Surface Pro), and need separated purchases. Some people don't find pen useful and they don't buy one.
Also pens nowaday are much larger than say ... Windows Mobile stylii. They just can't drill a hole in the device and let you stick the pen in it. It won't fit.
I very happy about the improvements to Windows OS! These IT people are just lazy b*stards! They get pay plenty for keeping their company computer systems running and to do improvements to it!
The game updates are simply terrible idea. First off the gamebar is known to cause problems with games. For instance lots of users got locked 30fps in a MMO i play untill they found out gamebar detected it as a console game and locked it for them.
There should be a setting for people in DirectX where you can lock everything to 30FPS if you want so your laptop's cooling system doesn't have to work as hard. I think that'd be the best way to enable a framerate cap and offer a benefit to the person at the keyboard, but it should be up to the end user to make that decision.
This was the update that made me go back pre-creators update. I am done with them for now. It must be the first time they messed up DX so much, all because of some placebo game mode, some useless game bar and what the hell is that new feature that they added about cheaters gonna do? I sent them feedback about it, and pointed out how clunky it is, how much frame drops I am getting after it and how "disable fullscreen optimizations" or adding game mode toggle in the settings panel and then hiding that same toggle from us in this update is just terrific. They already messed up plenty of things. Sure your games alt tab faster in fullscreen exclusive mode... who cares if they don't run properly? I am on version 1151 build whatever, some February 2016 one. Immediately changed the update server IP so I do not get updates. Leave me alone. If they want to market gaming as a thing, they should go back to their origins and take their stable DX core, reduce latency even further, implement low profile recording with minimal impact and most importantly ask users if they want to use those features or even worse if it goes bad again, those "features". They improved it, yes, but it doesn't even come close to the smooth heaven that gaming before it was added was. Not to mention the creators tools that most people do not need. The Settings menu is getting populated slowly with useful and not so useful information, but it is nothing impressive and I doubt it will ever be. Microsoft if you get only 10 people to test your features, you will recieve better and more valuable feedback than pushing those things to users who will find a way to disable and not use them because you forced them to do so. Give us back what we love and don't Telemetry on us or force us to use Windows Defender, thank you.
Whatever happened to Windows 10 Color Management? WFCU supposed to bring in stage 2 improvements to color management, but looks like it's been left out. Wide COlor Gamut support is useless without it.
Let me know when they figure out how to make W10 not bork a good % of my machines when upgrading, super annoying having to rollback and have wasted an hour.
No doubt! At least flash something up on the screen, letting me know that you're pushing an update, and installing it. That way, I'm not suddenly dealing with a crippled machine, that is spending so much of its resources installing a bunch of (mostly useless) "new & improved" apps, and wondering why it's not doing what I want it to do?
At least you got a notification of updates, with previous versions of Windows. W10, you're not sure, until you finally get so frustrated, that you reboot....and only THEN get the "Please wait, installing updates" message.
My 2nd favorite part of W10, is the apps that they don't want you to uninstall....even if there's no chance in hell, that you will EVER use them! Because, who doesn't want a bunch of crapware, clogging up your OS, right??
Windows sucked and will continue to do so. iOS is the undisputed future while iPads will be the one and only true form of mobile computing going. All others are not even worth speaking about
And, as ALL the previous updates. This gives out the "interactive windows station" error, on half my computers. Another great job. Probably it will take me 4 days to reformat everything (AGAIN).
Another change I noticed is that that air now using more of the "modern app" control panels. For example, when you right click the network icon and select "network and sharing center" you her one of those new control panels, which I personally dislike. The one good thing though is that it's now possible to set any network as "public" or "private" in the new network control panel
Another change I noticed is on the task manager. It now shows GPU usage and also shows multiple GPUs where it applies.
I've not seen any of the new "Fluent Design". Is that only for " modern apps"? If so I'll never see it, as I uninstall all of those as I find them very annoying.
"Apple would be brining iTunes..." Mmm, musical pickles.
I've been waiting for F11 support in Edge ever since it came out! Overall, I've liked what they were doing with it, but I could never use it seriously since I always browse full-screen.
I find exactly one irritating thing about Windows 10 -- the inability to pin a live tile to the desktop. Reminders that are hidden in the Start Menu don't help as I then need a reminder to look at the reminders. This has been a major irritant ever since Microsoft killed off gadgets. There are third party add ons but they tend to have a large system impact.
If not for the need of Powerpoint I could do all my work in linux, where updates are still optional, vulnerabilities are easy to mitigate with iptables and source code is editable.
I even get my minecrafting done in linux.
Powerpoint is Microsoft's last bastion of windows requirement.
Lol...I'll take Xp back, but I've gotten used to 64 bit addressing. Let's take Xp Professional then. Meanwhile, I'm still loving good old stable Win7,and if MS jacks with me, I'll simply slide over to Linux full time.
Win10 is still a horrible mess and every update brings more useless than useful features to add to the mess. Oh good, we have 3D creation tools for the 0.0001% of people who can use them, but we still have messed up settings, distributed between control panel and the new settings app, we still have 'modern' apps that are nowhere near as as flexible as their Win32 equivalents, they have a whole slew of new bugs that are very hard to resolve (you can no longer fix them with a registry hack) and the update broke of other stuff, like disappearing modern apps, which Microsoft is investigating. Good thing they have the largest beta testing program, I shudder to think what we'd get otherwise...
And on top of this you have the ugliest user interface of any OS ever. Seriously, its worse than iOS, MacOS, Android, even linux looks better. So this update was supposed to bring 'fluent design'? Guess what I can't see it anywhere so that means it made 0% difference. I miss my Macbook so much right now....
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Getting update after regular interval of time has both aspects good and bad good is that you will get new features and security level will also increase and bad is like you are habituated with one kind of use and it's changed then you will get difficulty for some time to be used to but I recommend get all updates always to be safe and secure from <a href="http://howtogethelpinwindows10.co/"> Windows 10 Help and Support </a> .
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blackmagnum - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
Free is free, right? Microsoft, keep them coming a the timely manner and I just might turn on Full Diagnostic data for you.ddriver - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
I like how you think that turning it off somehow keeps your data safer ;)"Bullwinkle J Moose" - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
Speaking of keeping your data safer......Here is a juicy quote>
"One thing you still can’t do is actually view the site certificate. The information provided by Edge is very basic, with no option to open the certificate in the more advanced Windows certificate tools to check the trust chain"
Also irrelevant to the "Improved" security claim
Microsoft still lets most "trusted" software through the Firewall by default as long as they have a "Valid" certificate
Yes, Microsoft lets malicious copies of CCleaner, VLC and pretty much all the other "trusted" applications who have been in the news lately because they had "Valid" certificates for compromised installers (Directly from the manufacturer B.T.W.)
Microsoft should block ALL applications by default (both sending and receiving) including ALL Windows components and telemetry "IF" they were concerned about end user security, but they are not
Microsoft now has all the telemetry they need to improve their products for older hardware so why won't they turn it off?
Because it's a Spyware Platform!
You can't really spy on EVERYONE if you close all the backdoors.....DUH!
and sending encrypted messages won't help you if the NSA is watching you type the message!
Double DUH!
5080 - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
I hope you don't use any Intel CPU's if you're that concerned about spy ware in your system. The Intel Management Engine or ME is spying on you even of your system is powered down.Google is working on a solution to kill the MINIX based ME, but they haven't figured out how to do it yet without disabling some of the CPU's features.People don't really care about the collection of telemetry data, if they would really care than no one would buy any more cell phones, Chromebooks or Windows PC's. It has become a part of how we consume and use this devices.
"Bullwinkle J Moose" - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
Oh you are so wrong 5080The Intel Management Engine is disabled and has never been used on ANY of my computers
There is even an app you can download and check whether or not it is enabled
Never EVER installed the ME software either
I could see this problem coming 10 years ago!
5080 - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
Intel constantly "optimized" ME on their CPU's. Who knows, when they can activate this without user consent. The disturbing part is that the option is there.linuxgeex - Saturday, November 11, 2017 - link
Actually, unless you specifically purchased a mobo with Coreboot, you have an active ME and you just don't know it.negusp - Saturday, November 11, 2017 - link
Lol yeah he's a retard. Any recent Intel CPU needs a couple BIOS pages wiped to have the ME disabled.shabby - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
Could of swore that needed an intel network card to fully function."Bullwinkle J Moose" - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
Correct ShabbyI think Steve Gibson covered that in a Security Now video
prophet001 - Monday, November 13, 2017 - link
Oh that's rich. Google trying to shut off another manufacturer's spyware.rofl
pjcamp - Monday, November 13, 2017 - link
How the hell do you spy on a machine with the power off?BurntMyBacon - Wednesday, November 15, 2017 - link
I think that was referring to a system with power connected, but in the "power off" state. The Intel Management Engine would still draw some power, so it wouldn't really be considered fully powered off. It just hasn't initialized the boot code from UEFI / BIOS / Etc. If I recall correctly, the Intel Management Engine doesn't require boot code to bring it up, but it can be reconfigured by the boot code. This is where coreboot could become useful if you want to disable the engine.Shiitaki - Tuesday, December 5, 2017 - link
It's not that hard to bypass the ME engine, just add an external network card.Ratman6161 - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
"Microsoft should block ALL applications by default "People love to make sweeping comments like that without thinking through the consequences. Block ALL? Sure. So what does your average home user do then? With everything blocked you have to give them some mechanism to unblock the things they need or want. Unfortunately 99.99% will have no idea....and will click "yes" or "OK" or whatever. OR they won't have any clue what to do and will only know they wanted something and it doesn't work. Then the people who can't figure out how to get to their google docs etc will be on here flaming about the Microsoft Conspiracy to prevent them from using third party products.
Hurr Durr - Saturday, November 11, 2017 - link
This psycho was running around comments not long ago screaming how he "hack-proofed" WinXP and "challenged hackers and various intelligence services around the world" to crack it. Make your conclusions.Bullwinkle-J-Moose - Saturday, December 23, 2017 - link
Which Psycho is that Hurr Durr?I recall running around claiming that they couldn't "wreck" my box but I never said they couldn't "hack" my box
I would NEVER use XP for banking or passwords because even a read only system can be "hacked" but not permanently wrecked
This box is for testing the best of the best malware on the planet and it has often been "hacked"
However, a simple reboot restores it to pristine and fully functional condition by wiping away any malware, so stop trolling with your fake news
Samus - Sunday, November 12, 2017 - link
I trust Microsoft diagnostic submissions a hell of a lot more than amazon, Facebook, or google. As a whole I trust Microsoft and Apple over just about any other tech company because they are the only two that have business models not revolving around ad revenue. That’s partially why Bing failed...it didn’t invade your privacy enough.ddriver - Monday, November 13, 2017 - link
LOL and WOW, how dumb are you. Their business model revolves around milking people in every possible way they can as hard as they can. What an idiocy it is to assume they go though the effort to create an OS that is spyware at its core and they will not monetize on the acquired information just because they have other sources of revenue.prophet001 - Monday, November 13, 2017 - link
They did this in the wake of the sheeple devouring Google's and Apple's creations and paradigms.If you can't beat em, join me.
Microsoft was one of the last bastions of personal privacy in an OS but ya'll told them, through your adoption practices, "hey it's cool. take my stuff" and so they did.
prophet001 - Monday, November 13, 2017 - link
*emddrіver - Monday, November 13, 2017 - link
Facebook, Google, or Amazon also do it but lets be real, how can they monetize on my data? Will a company just suddenly guess what I like and dislike on FB? Do I find search results "adjusted" to my preference? Does Amazon give me different prices and offers than others? Idiocy!Plus, there's no sensitive data about me on my phone but I have all kinds of stuff in my computer like scans of important documents, CVs, etc. No way I let M$ have that.
Screw you - Wednesday, November 15, 2017 - link
As if the average customer will actually ever check certificate information. Most don't even know what a certificate is...And your request concerning firewall protection would be for a very small minority of paranoid techno-geeks who represent an insignificant and small portion of the Windows using population... Enacting a default firewall rule to block everything would make the Windows experience cumbersome and inefficient for MOST users. Things work just fine as they are right now... You really need to get over yourself Mr. Fort Knox.edzieba - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
It's not going to make it 'less safe' either. Two and a half years after release, and not a single shred of evidence has been uncovered of Microsoft sending your files to themselves. And you can bet security researchers have been looking very closely too.shaikhsimraan - Sunday, November 12, 2017 - link
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Fall creator update is certainly the best Win10 update, features are reasonably polished and the build is just a lot more stable...That being said, Win10 itself is bad.. slower than Win7 or even Win8.1 (and an order of magnitude than any Linux distro), you're forced to use the system in a way that you don't necessarily like, and updates are just shoved up the ass...
ddriver - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
Yeah, good old w7 is still the best, as long as you keep close attention to what updates you are installing.Unfortunately, m$ took measures against the selective installation of updates, and recently releases those "update bundles", each of which contains all the updates and you definitely don't want on your machine, such as telemetry.
Additionally, m$ colluded with hardware vendors to omit support for w7 from their latest hardware driver packages. Granted, some might actually work, but it is usually hacky and not 100% operational.
Really revolting, heinous, despicable behavior. Grade A scumbags...
Ratman6161 - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
Here is the other side of the coin. The vast majority of exploits which make it into the news are exploiting know things that only work on systems that have not installed updates. Wannacry was a perfect example.Bullwinkle-J-Moose - Saturday, December 23, 2017 - link
Bad example Ratman!Wannacry had no effect on Windows XP-SP2 with no Microsoft Updates, only SP3 was affected
Once Microsoft updates yer box, NSA exploits work again like magic
Mo3tasm - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
I suspect it also has to do with frequent updates, developers can get lazy all they want when they must fix bugs or optimize performance, because they can always do it "next month"..Back in the days when you could push major code changes only once per version they had to work really hard to perfect every line of code.
ddrіver - Sunday, November 12, 2017 - link
Oh, and don't get me started on the whole "other big OS makers collect everything about you at all times" or "other big OS makers don't bother to push hardware vendors to support phone hardware more than 2-3 years so you only get 1 or 2 years of major updates". M$ is the real problem here.BurntMyBacon - Wednesday, November 15, 2017 - link
@ddriver: "Oh, and don't get me started on the whole "other big OS makers collect everything about you at all times" or "other big OS makers don't bother to push hardware vendors to support phone hardware more than 2-3 years so you only get 1 or 2 years of major updates"."You want me to brush aside grievances from other vendors to make Microsoft look worse by lack of comparison? I REFUSE!!! Phones and tablets may be consumption devices that you are better off leaving anything sensitive far away from, but they've been pushed as computer replacements, they've been developed for as computer replacements, and much of the market uses them as computer replacements. People email on their phones, send sensitive messages on their phones, use their phones to facilitate payments, and even bank on their phones. You can either call out people for doing things the are not educated enough to know they shouldn't do on their phones, or you can call out the vendors for creating and environment designed to cater to these practices while siphoning data in the background. Not everyone can be a security expert and the average consumer has a difficult enough time with malicious entities sending bad emails, texts, and links through their messenger/social app of choice. They shouldn't have to consider companies like Google, Microsoft, and Apple as malicious entities.
@ddriver: "M$ is the real problem here."
No. If Microsoft fixed everything, it would not affect the issues you stated above with other vendors. Microsoft's actions are problematic for sure and they should not be excused just because vendor X, Y, and Z are worse. However, Microsoft's actions are a symptom of a larger problem created by the anti-privacy features built into iOS and Android devices when smartphones were rising in popularity and perpetuated by the lack of concern over these privacy invading features by the worldwide market. If enough people wholesale dropped these platforms (read: Significant loss of profits) for a less invasive platform despite the extra costs and inconveniences involved, then they would fix some of these problems. Unfortunately, not enough people seem to care.
cwolf78 - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
Funny how there are a ton of comparison benchmarks including on this very site that completely refute your anecdotal claims.Mo3tasm - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
You can benchmark how you want, but the "perceived" difference can't be benchmarked.mr_tawan - Saturday, November 11, 2017 - link
perception sometime is truth, some other time is illusion."Bullwinkle J Moose" - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
"slower than Win7 or even Win8.1"----------------------------------------------
That depends.....
Bootup and shutdown speed is markedly faster but doing anything with your data is markedly slower
"Bullwinkle J Moose" - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
I just again tested Windows 8.1 boot time at 14 seconds (that is normal)Win 10 Full Crapper Edition booted to the same PC with the same SSD in 5.3 seconds
ddriver - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
Who cares about boot up speed, I boot up once every few months. Even a regular user doesn't boot up nowhere nearly enough to make a difference, when it craps over your entire usage."Bullwinkle J Moose" - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
Regular users, sure, but I measure it and care because I have been known to boot several different operating systems from this machine in a single dayBIOS is set so that there is no primary boot device, which means that I can swap drives (or thumb drives) while the computer is rebooting and it will boot to whatever is currently plugged in instead of fumbling in the BIOS to change the boot order
Makes testing something new quick and easy, whether its in XP, Linux, Win 7, Win 8 or any Edition of Spyware Platform 10
"Bullwinkle J Moose" - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
I also keep all the bootable SSD's on an external SATA to ESATA+USB Power cable so when I switch from SSD to thumb drive during a reboot, all I need to do is unplug the USB power to the SSD boot drive and plug in a thumb drive during rebootddriver - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
Oh wow, I bet those 10 seconds you save are a life changer.inighthawki - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
Oh come on. He's booting into several different OSs a day. That's at least a full minute.ddriver - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
Yeah, and they are all windoze 10, which saves that much time :)I was talking about the boot time difference relative to w7, not the overall boot time.
I usually run at least 2-3 OS in the same time, it is much faster and far more usable when you use virtual machines rather than booting one OS at a time. You get to use them in parallel and also avoid the mobo post time. The only downside is you need plenty of ram.
ddrіver - Sunday, November 12, 2017 - link
Well, not actually every few months but easily every couple of days.ddriver - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
Windoze 10 is a great OS, I just has an amazing experience with it the other day with its latest and greatest iteration.A laptop was behaving weirdly, so I decided to do some checkups, beginning with a disk check.
Clicking to run the disk check, I was told that there is no need to run it because the disk is OK.
I insisted to run it nonetheless, and to automatically fix errors.
About 1 second in the check, I was told that the error check cannot continue because the drive contains errors, and to run it again after I fix the errors.
Great functionality, I have to admit. It's like ordering pizza and they tell you they can't deliver you pizza because you have no pizza, and to call back again when you have the pizza.
And what stunning graphics design, for example the settings dialogs are literally just a white background with 3 columns of text. It is like looking at HTML without the CSS styling applied. Just pathetic and hideous.
And in an all-too-typical for m$ fashion, they are more invested into introducing even more useless bloatware.
ddrіver - Sunday, November 12, 2017 - link
Then again I haven't actually done any troubleshooting without Google for so long... Google 1, M$ 0.And they could make those Windoze 10 menus with gold and glitter and they'd still suck. Because they're M$.
ddriver - Monday, November 13, 2017 - link
LOL, I have a copy-troll now.ddrіver - Monday, November 13, 2017 - link
Mispost.jardows2 - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
Protected folder option - great! Going to be checking this out and enabling on all my computers. I wonder how it works with network mapped drives? Will this folder have to be selected as a protected folder on all PC's that have write access?peevee - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
Brett, where are multiple Linux flavors?Cryio - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
I like the few fluent design elements in Start and Action Center. But why doesn't the Taskbar has it?Why are most Win32 application chrome window full solid color, a la W8?
Why does Edge get so few features when releases are either 6 to 9 months apart? Most other browsers seem to add a lot of features every 4/5 weeks. But not Microsoft.
Anyway, Edge being faster/efficient/more reliable is a welcome improvement.
Acrylic is nice.
People is nice, if useless at the moment.
Polishing Action Center is nice.
Mixer improvements are nice.
Aaaaand I still hate that Skylake on Surface Pro 4 at least limits CPU speed to 800 MHz when watching Youtube videos using Edge.
StormyParis - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
"The new pattern of a spring and fall (or fall and spring, depending on your location)"or Autumn ?
Zak - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
"anit-cheating" typo? On the "Gaming Updates" page.Also, besides bringing back some depth and transparencies there is zero in this update for me. Gaming Mode is something disable first. Leave my games alone Microsoft. Microsoft *does not* get PC gaming.
Bixx - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
You forgot the "feature" where many people's start menu won't work anymore or is missing most items. Over 400 people on the MS forum have this problem (which mean many more "out there" surely do too), yet MS hasn't even acknowledged the problem).Gunbuster - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
Or as I like to call it the creators update update.Someone at Microsoft now runs a team devoted to creating updates for creators update update.
jgeis - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
It's probably worth mentioning that there's a problem with clean installs of Windows 10 Fall Creator's Update (1709) where opening Edge browser causes the State Repository Service process to spike your CPU to 100% and essentially locks up the PC. You can get around this by installing another browser off a USB stick, but it's really annoying on a fresh build. Some other actions also seem to trigger it, as well.B3an - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
You never go in to enough detail for these updates. Your articles always miss out loads of new stuff and changes. The only reason i visit this site is for in-depth articles, not "The Verge" level crap, minus the SJW shit.Ryan Smith - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
B3an, was there something in particular you were looking for that you didn't see? We're still trying to figure out the right level of depth for these Windows updates, especially since they're not wholly new OSes, and a lot of feature information is published ahead of time.(None the less, this was still 6K word, 10 page article)
SkyDiver - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
How sad all of this is. The horror story continues ever since Win8. It still looks flat and dead. So many things wrong with this "operating system."Lolimaster - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
Isn't it funny all this "for the user" naming MSFT uses for Windows Spyware 10, each "fancy name" iteration breaks 5 more thing than the one it fixes.Windows 10 Fallen to the crapper edition.
cmdrdredd - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
Hopefully they fix HDR too. Windows implementation of HDR-10 is broken.ZeDestructor - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
"Find My Pen".. or you could just have a hole in your tablet/laptop to stuff the stylus into.. I mean, my now 6 year old laptop has that feature, but my dad s brand spanking new Yoga 720 does not. Why, vendors and MS... WHY!?mr_tawan - Saturday, November 11, 2017 - link
Some devices don't come with bundled pen (including the Surface Pro), and need separated purchases. Some people don't find pen useful and they don't buy one.Also pens nowaday are much larger than say ... Windows Mobile stylii. They just can't drill a hole in the device and let you stick the pen in it. It won't fit.
Harry_Wild - Friday, November 10, 2017 - link
I very happy about the improvements to Windows OS! These IT people are just lazy b*stards! They get pay plenty for keeping their company computer systems running and to do improvements to it!Thounee - Saturday, November 11, 2017 - link
Harmon... Harmon... really? Please.. it's HARMAN!!!imaheadcase - Saturday, November 11, 2017 - link
The game updates are simply terrible idea. First off the gamebar is known to cause problems with games. For instance lots of users got locked 30fps in a MMO i play untill they found out gamebar detected it as a console game and locked it for them.PeachNCream - Saturday, November 11, 2017 - link
There should be a setting for people in DirectX where you can lock everything to 30FPS if you want so your laptop's cooling system doesn't have to work as hard. I think that'd be the best way to enable a framerate cap and offer a benefit to the person at the keyboard, but it should be up to the end user to make that decision.Outlander_04 - Saturday, November 11, 2017 - link
Bottom line for me is I do not want "features" added by default.Security updates fine.
Crap software I will never use: no
boozed - Saturday, November 11, 2017 - link
What's a Fall Creator?mkozakewich - Sunday, November 12, 2017 - link
They're the ones who paint all the leaves red.Lunaria - Saturday, November 11, 2017 - link
This was the update that made me go back pre-creators update. I am done with them for now. It must be the first time they messed up DX so much, all because of some placebo game mode, some useless game bar and what the hell is that new feature that they added about cheaters gonna do? I sent them feedback about it, and pointed out how clunky it is, how much frame drops I am getting after it and how "disable fullscreen optimizations" or adding game mode toggle in the settings panel and then hiding that same toggle from us in this update is just terrific. They already messed up plenty of things. Sure your games alt tab faster in fullscreen exclusive mode... who cares if they don't run properly? I am on version 1151 build whatever, some February 2016 one. Immediately changed the update server IP so I do not get updates. Leave me alone. If they want to market gaming as a thing, they should go back to their origins and take their stable DX core, reduce latency even further, implement low profile recording with minimal impact and most importantly ask users if they want to use those features or even worse if it goes bad again, those "features". They improved it, yes, but it doesn't even come close to the smooth heaven that gaming before it was added was. Not to mention the creators tools that most people do not need. The Settings menu is getting populated slowly with useful and not so useful information, but it is nothing impressive and I doubt it will ever be. Microsoft if you get only 10 people to test your features, you will recieve better and more valuable feedback than pushing those things to users who will find a way to disable and not use them because you forced them to do so. Give us back what we love and don't Telemetry on us or force us to use Windows Defender, thank you.bill44 - Saturday, November 11, 2017 - link
Whatever happened to Windows 10 Color Management?WFCU supposed to bring in stage 2 improvements to color management, but looks like it's been left out.
Wide COlor Gamut support is useless without it.
Lunaria - Saturday, November 11, 2017 - link
Not to mention they reset my gamma settings all the time.Icehawk - Saturday, November 11, 2017 - link
Let me know when they figure out how to make W10 not bork a good % of my machines when upgrading, super annoying having to rollback and have wasted an hour.Lolimaster - Sunday, November 12, 2017 - link
Stick to win7 and maybe get a xbox one for those games that are win10 exclusives?Lolimaster - Sunday, November 12, 2017 - link
Nothing else justifies having win10 for productivity.marvdmartian - Monday, November 13, 2017 - link
No doubt! At least flash something up on the screen, letting me know that you're pushing an update, and installing it. That way, I'm not suddenly dealing with a crippled machine, that is spending so much of its resources installing a bunch of (mostly useless) "new & improved" apps, and wondering why it's not doing what I want it to do?At least you got a notification of updates, with previous versions of Windows. W10, you're not sure, until you finally get so frustrated, that you reboot....and only THEN get the "Please wait, installing updates" message.
My 2nd favorite part of W10, is the apps that they don't want you to uninstall....even if there's no chance in hell, that you will EVER use them! Because, who doesn't want a bunch of crapware, clogging up your OS, right??
Apple Worshipper - Sunday, November 12, 2017 - link
Windows sucked and will continue to do so. iOS is the undisputed future while iPads will be the one and only true form of mobile computing going. All others are not even worth speaking aboutMarburg U - Sunday, November 12, 2017 - link
And, as ALL the previous updates. This gives out the "interactive windows station" error, on half my computers. Another great job. Probably it will take me 4 days to reformat everything (AGAIN).Glock24 - Sunday, November 12, 2017 - link
Another change I noticed is that that air now using more of the "modern app" control panels. For example, when you right click the network icon and select "network and sharing center" you her one of those new control panels, which I personally dislike. The one good thing though is that it's now possible to set any network as "public" or "private" in the new network control panelAnother change I noticed is on the task manager. It now shows GPU usage and also shows multiple GPUs where it applies.
I've not seen any of the new "Fluent Design". Is that only for " modern apps"? If so I'll never see it, as I uninstall all of those as I find them very annoying.
Hurr Durr - Sunday, November 12, 2017 - link
Uninstall the calculator.Lunaria - Monday, November 13, 2017 - link
The one that used to crash the explorer/windows back in the day? Fun times, couldn't believe it was even possible.mkozakewich - Sunday, November 12, 2017 - link
"Apple would be brining iTunes..."Mmm, musical pickles.
I've been waiting for F11 support in Edge ever since it came out! Overall, I've liked what they were doing with it, but I could never use it seriously since I always browse full-screen.
pjcamp - Monday, November 13, 2017 - link
I find exactly one irritating thing about Windows 10 -- the inability to pin a live tile to the desktop. Reminders that are hidden in the Start Menu don't help as I then need a reminder to look at the reminders. This has been a major irritant ever since Microsoft killed off gadgets. There are third party add ons but they tend to have a large system impact.acochrane - Monday, November 13, 2017 - link
If not for the need of Powerpoint I could do all my work in linux, where updates are still optional, vulnerabilities are easy to mitigate with iptables and source code is editable.I even get my minecrafting done in linux.
Powerpoint is Microsoft's last bastion of windows requirement.
Can I have Windows xp back?
navair2 - Monday, November 13, 2017 - link
Lol...I'll take Xp back, but I've gotten used to 64 bit addressing. Let's take Xp Professional then. Meanwhile, I'm still loving good old stable Win7,and if MS jacks with me, I'll simply slide over to Linux full time.dcaxax - Tuesday, November 14, 2017 - link
Win10 is still a horrible mess and every update brings more useless than useful features to add to the mess.Oh good, we have 3D creation tools for the 0.0001% of people who can use them, but we still have messed up settings, distributed between control panel and the new settings app, we still have 'modern' apps that are nowhere near as as flexible as their Win32 equivalents, they have a whole slew of new bugs that are very hard to resolve (you can no longer fix them with a registry hack) and the update broke of other stuff, like disappearing modern apps, which Microsoft is investigating.
Good thing they have the largest beta testing program, I shudder to think what we'd get otherwise...
And on top of this you have the ugliest user interface of any OS ever. Seriously, its worse than iOS, MacOS, Android, even linux looks better. So this update was supposed to bring 'fluent design'? Guess what I can't see it anywhere so that means it made 0% difference.
I miss my Macbook so much right now....
Beaver M. - Thursday, November 16, 2017 - link
Indeed. Its time for an alternative that even can make gamers happy. MS is finished, because they want to force this crap down our throats every 6 months and just mess everything up and ignore teh real problems and wishes.keta - Wednesday, November 15, 2017 - link
Has anyone tried using the new eye-tracking feature with a Tobii? I'm curious as to how the mouse function works in practice.enealDC - Friday, November 17, 2017 - link
I'm curious -- if you use the wireless display adapter, are you having trouble with it after upgrade? I cannot connect to my display adapter anymoremovieadmin - Sunday, November 26, 2017 - link
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