Updated AMD Ryzen and EPYC CPU Roadmaps March 2020: Milan, Genoa, and Vermeerby Dr. Ian Cutress on March 5, 2020 6:40 PM EST
Everyone is interested in roadmaps – they give us a sense of an idea of what is coming in the future, and for the investors, it gives a level of expectation as to where the company might be in a year to five years. Today at AMD’s Financial Analyst Day, the company gave the latest updates on the CPU side of the business, for consumer and for enterprise.
AMD stated that its CPU roadmaps for its enterprise portfolio are going to offer more vision into the future than its consumer side for a couple of reasons. First, the enterprise market is built on a longer product cycle and it helps when planning these systems to know what is in the pipe publicly, but also from an investor standpoint where the enterprise market ultimately offers the bigger financial opportunity.
To that end, AMD confirmed what we essentially knew, with Zen 3 based Milan coming in ‘late 2020’.
Zen 4 based Genoa has already been announced as the CPU to power the El Capitan supercomputer, and in this roadmap AMD has put it as coming out by 2022. We asked AMD for clarification, and they stated that in this sort of graph, we should interpret it as the full stack of Genoa should be formally launched by the end of 2022. Given AMD’s recent 12-15 month cadence with the generations of EPYC, and the expected launch of Milan late this year, we would expect to see Genoa in early 2022.
Astute users might notice that Milan / Zen 3 has been listed as ‘7nm’, where previously it was listed as ‘7nm+’. We’ve got a whole news post on why AMD has made this change, but the short of it is that AMD initially put ‘7nm+’ to mean ‘an advanced version of 7nm’. When TSMC named its EUV version of 7nm as N7+, people had assumed they were the same, and AMD wanted to clarify that Milan is on a version of 7nm, and the exact version will be disclosed at a later date. In the future the company will avoid using ‘+’ so this doesn’t happen again (!). We also have Genoa listed as a 5nm product.
Harder numbers about Milan and Genoa are expected to be unveiled closer to their respective launch times.
On the consumer side, AMD said a little less, with its roadmap only going out to Zen 3, which has the codename ‘Vermeer’ for the desktop product.
In this graph, we see that the Zen 3 product here is on the far right, but so is the date – 2021. Does this mean Zen 3 for consumers is coming 2021? We asked AMD to clarify, and were told that we should interpret this as that the range of Zen 3 consumer products, such as desktop CPUs, HEDT CPUs, mobile APUs, and consumer APUs, should all be available by the end of 2021. The company clarified that Zen 3 will hit the consumer market ‘later this year’, meaning late 2020.
So here comes a poignant question – what is going to come first in 2020? Zen 3 for enterprise is listed as ‘late 2020’, and Zen 3 for consumer is ‘later this year’. AMD makes a lot more money on its enterprise products than its consumer products, and while it enjoys a healthy performance lead in both, it really wants to push its market share in enterprise a lot more to drive home the bigger financial potential. With this in mind, I highly suspect that given AMD’s lead in the consumer market, we might see the company push more of its Zen 3 silicon into the enterprise market as a priority, with only a limited 2020 consumer release. I could be wrong, but we will find out closer to the time.
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FreckledTrout - Friday, March 6, 2020 - linkZen3 will certainly not be DDR5 because it uses the same AM4 socket. AMD will need more pins in the socket for DDR5. I expect DDR5 for Zen4 to coincide with there new socket.
dotjaz - Friday, March 13, 2020 - linkBut but you need to consider Threadripper, we could still have Zen3-based TR5 with new IO die coming out by late 2021 with reduced amount of DDR5 channels, no inter-socket SerDers and less PCIe channnels. That'll significantly reduce the cost to built a 3/4 chiplet TR.
The very same IO die can be used on future "AM5" socket as well to enable 2 to 3 chiplet Ryzen CPU, while 1 chiplet design can be replaced by a SOC + (optional) GPU chiplet configuration to enable better APU options.
Hul8 - Friday, March 6, 2020 - linkWith the memory controllers on the separate I/O die, AMD can easily segregate memory support on their enterprise/HEDT and consumer parts: DDR5 adoption on the consumer side can trail 1 - 2 generations, and still use the exact same core chiplets.
JayNor - Friday, March 6, 2020 - linkThere was also a mention of the custom processor for the Frontier computer. There was a mention of mid-year (2021) for shipment. Previous interviews say it is not Milan.
Machinus - Friday, March 6, 2020 - linkIntel is pitting 14nm++++ against AMD's 7nm in 2020?
This is going to be a slaughter.
yetanotherhuman - Friday, March 6, 2020 - linkIt's already a bloody massacre..
AMD can deliver dramatically more cores per socket, at dramatically lower power, whilst also delivering higher overall performance AND more performance per core. At a lower price.
Kangal - Friday, March 6, 2020 - linkDoesn't matter, they don't come with a "Intel Inside" sticker on their computer...
demian_thorne - Friday, March 6, 2020 - linkLisa offers that off the secret menu, whisper you want it and you got it but it simply costs twice as much :)
PS: I am simply adding sarcasm to your sarcasm
yankeeDDL - Friday, March 6, 2020 - linkSadly, that actually makes a difference. In Spain, the Dell's store sells 2 (two) laptops with Ryzen, and they are Inspiron junk. While they cover pretty much Intel's entire portfolio of the last 2-3 generations, Finding a good laptop with Ryzen 3000 is still not so easy (to be fair, on the mobility side, Intel still has a decent chance against the 3***; once 4*** models come out, it will be a no brainer).
haukionkannel - Friday, March 6, 2020 - linkYep. Intel still sell much more cpus than amd...