Massive ISP Upgrades

I’ve been hearing for some time now that 2022 flagships will have massive camera upgrades, and the new features of the next-gen SoCs being described by MediaTek and now also Qualcomm explain why that is.

The new ISP of the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 falls under a new marketing name – “Snapdragon Sight”, and includes large improvements of the capabilities of the IP blocks within the image processing chain.

The big flagship feature being advertised is the fact that the new ISP is now capable of 18-bits of color depth per channel, up from the previous generation 14-bit ISP. While mobile image sensors nowadays still are barely 12-bit native in terms of their ADCs, the ushering of new HDR techniques such as staggered HDR capture, where exposures are immediately subsequent to each other on the sensor’s readout, means that new phones now are able to capture images a lot faster, recombining them into higher bit-depth results. Particularly here, the new 18-bit ISP pipeline now allows for three exposure HDR stacking off these new sensors.

The increased bit-depth should allow for an increase of 4 stops in dynamic range (or 2^4 = 16x the range), which greatly helps with very contrasting environments and challenging lighting situations. This is quite beyond any other camera solution right now, and being able to have this implemented in such a hardware fashion sort of blurs the line between traditional image capture techniques and the more software-defined computational photography methods of the last few years.

Indeed, the new ISP architecture seems to be very much a way to implement many of the existing computational photography techniques into fixed-function blocks: there’s a new neural-net controlled 3AA (auto-exposure, auto-focus, auto-white-balance) and face detection block, which sounds eerily similar to Google’s HDRnet implementations.

Night mode is also said to be vastly improved through a new multi-frame noise reduction and image stacking block, being able to now stack and align up to 30 images, and achieve also much finer detail this generation. Qualcomm here claims up to 5x better night mode shots.

Further improvements include a new distortion correction block that’s able to now also correct for chromatic aberrations, and a hardware video Bokeh engine, being able to operate at up to 4K video recording. Think of it as the same as the new Cinematic mode on the new A15 iPhones, but not only limited to 1080p.

Qualcomm notes that all the AI/ML/neural network features on the ISP are actually run and accelerated on the ISP itself, meaning that it is not offloaded onto the Hexagon dedicated ML processing blocks or the GPU.

Just as a note- Qualcomm’s 3.2Gigapixel/s throughput metric here seems low compared to the Dimensity 9000’s 9Gpixel/s, it’s possible that the companies are advertising very different metrics, with MediaTek advertising the throughput of lower-bit depth pixels coming from the image sensors per frame, while Qualcomm quoting the full bit depth pixel processing within the ISP itself.

In terms of video encoders and decoders, the new chip allows for 8K HDR recording now, but otherwise is seemingly on par with the Snapdragon 888 media blocks. Unfortunately, this also means no AV1 decoding this year yet again. Qualcomm isn’t part of the Alliance for Open Media consortium and instead is backing VVC/H.266 and EVC, however with AV1 being actively pushed by Google and YouTube, and seeing large adoptions such as by Netflix, it’s becoming questionable for Qualcomm to still not support the format in 2022 devices.

AI Performance - Iterative, but solid

Last year’s Hexagon IP block was a very large change for the Snapdragon 888. At the time, Qualcomm moved on from a more segregated DSP/AI architecture to a single more fused-together block being able to operate on scalar, vector, and tensor operations at the same time. This year’s iteration is an improvement of that larger change. Qualcomm notes that amongst many changes, they’ve doubled up on the shared memory of the block, allowing for greater performance for larger ML models (which are growing at a very fast pace).

Qualcomm didn’t note any TOPS figures this time around, instead stating we’re seeing 2x the tensor throughput performance, and smaller increases for scalar and vector processing. They do quote a day-1 to day-1 performance increase of 4x when compared to the Snapdragon 888, via a combination of both hardware and software improvements, but of course that figure is smaller when comparing both platforms on an equal software footing.

Power efficiency for AI workloads is said to be 70% better this generation, which is actually more significant, and should help with more demanding sustained ML workloads.

X65 Modem Integrated

In terms of connectivity, the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 is quite straightforward, as it integrates the X65 modem IP that Qualcomm had already announced as a discrete model earlier this year.

The improvements here are the fact that it’s a 3GPP Release 16 compatible modem, including new features such as uplink carrier aggregation. Other improvements are 300MHz of Sub-6 bandwidth on 3 100MHz carriers, and an increase of the mmWave bandwidth from 800 MHz to 1000MHz, allowing a new peak theoretical downlink speeds of 10Gbps.

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  • Kangal - Monday, December 13, 2021 - link

    I don't know exactly why, but the QSD 870 doesn't throttle like the QSD 865.
    I know they're the "same" chip. But its probably a combination of newer node, better binning, and software tweaks. Mostly the software side, where it's not just the better optimised drivers but likely it is deliberately set up by Qualcomm to not be thermally aggressive. They would have done this so that it doesn't outshine their most expensive product (888).

    In terms of unrealistic synthetic benchmarks, the QSD 888+ leaves the rest in the dust.
    In real-world uses, it's on-par with the chips mentioned above*. Actually, it's quiet often slower when it throttles early and for extended periods, and running on OEMs sloppy bloatware. There's really no legitimate reason for someone to upgrade from the 2019 Android phone to a 2021 if we're only concerned about the SoC. And I believe the same is true for 2022 Android phones (first-gen ARMv9). With the exception being that there has been decent improvement in the GPU, but there isn't much to take advantage of that extra performance on Android (maybe with emulators?).

    *QSD 855, 855+, 778G, 780, 860, 865, 865+, 870, 888, 888+
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  • mode_13h - Monday, December 13, 2021 - link

    > There's really no legitimate reason for someone to upgrade
    > from the 2019 Android phone to ... 2022 Android phones (first-gen ARMv9).

    If we don't consider these as phones, but compare the cores on their merits, then you can't ignore SVE2. How much practical benefit that has for the typical phone user remains to be seen, because things like deep learning and many other compute-heavy workloads will be running on the NPU, DSP, ISP, or GPU.
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  • Zoolook - Wednesday, December 8, 2021 - link

    Don't forget it's produced on a hot process, Samsung is far behind TSMC on efficiency. Reply
  • mode_13h - Wednesday, December 1, 2021 - link

    Based on their initial coverage, the A510 looks relatively disappointing.

    https://www.anandtech.com/show/16693/arm-announces...
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  • johnnycanadian - Wednesday, December 1, 2021 - link

    Let's please hope that phone manufacturers disable the always-on camera?

    https://www.theverge.com/22811740/qualcomm-snapdra...
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  • fasterquieter - Wednesday, December 1, 2021 - link

    I have often wondered, if chips like these can perform crazy feats like 8K30 HDR encoding, why don't camera manufacturers just buy these instead of making their own chips? Reply
  • vladx - Wednesday, December 1, 2021 - link

    Outside of Panasonic, I'm not sure anyone else in the camera industry is designing its 100% proprietary chips. And the reason they don't buy this type of SoC is price and the need for custom solutions incorporating their IPs. Reply
  • mode_13h - Wednesday, December 1, 2021 - link

    Don't professional cameras typically use some Studio Profile with like 4:4:4 color and maybe no P or B frames? Although you could probably get all that to work on most phone SoC media engines, it probably wasn't implemented by the manufacturer. Reply
  • GeoffreyA - Thursday, December 2, 2021 - link

    Andrei, we appreciate all your material and will miss you. I was always stunned by your terrific, detailed articles, and your mastery over this field. We shake our fists angrily at the company that won you over. All the best in your future endeavours. Take it easy. Reply
  • Speedfriend - Friday, December 3, 2021 - link

    I have to second that, I will miss the deep dive articles into new SOCs. Yours were the only ones that truly looked at the power performance trade off Reply

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